To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

He's so deranged that, unlike Biden and Reagan, there would be no realistic possibility of knowing if dementia or mental illness ever kicks in.

But he IS 78. The average life expectancy for a white US male is currently 74.8 years. Unfortunately I was unable to identify statistics for a tangerine US male - hopefully they're slightly lower on account of what he's done to his body.

In the absence of any sense by the voting public, I am now hoping for divine intervention.

Yup exactly this.

No, some of them are intelligent rich people who will be far better off as he will once again deliver tax cuts for the rich. Lots of rich conservative men and women who are anti-abortion will have voted in their own best interests.

I don't know what his other economic policies will be apart from huge tariffs as he was never pressed to answer this question by interviewers who gave him an easy ride.

As someone in the UK who doesn't follow especially detailed aspects of US politics I look at Trump and think
a) in a country as huge as the US, are there really no other alternatives..? and
b) I watch him at rallies and am amazed that anyone takes him seriously, let alone the majority of voters

....however he got in before, and whatever Biden did or didn't do, that wasn't enough for people to think the alternative was better. Much as I think Trump comes across as deranged and dangerous, what on earth is happening elsewhere, that makes him the only viable choice for so many people?

Women just want a say over their own bodies.

If men don't like women having abortions, they can keep their dicks in their trousers.

Rightly or wrongly the majority of people vote for what they think will be best for their personal finances. Doesn't mean they actually agree with trump or are idiots....

Does "the world" include the UK where we just voted in a centre-ish government, or just the US?

They are stupid.
He's a misogynistic racist bankrupt felon who's clearly insane.

Threads like this are horrible! It is a democracy. People vote on issues that matter to them. I have different views to my neighbour, my friends and my family. And that is ok. I didn’t vote labour but I completely accepted the result. I don’t go about insulting the people who voted for them. It is as if people want there to be an extreme left dictatorship whilst they criticise dictatorships - make it make sense!

I am not disappointed in Trump supporters. If his policies appealed more than Harris ones- why wouldn’t you have voted for him? There are only 2 choices!!

It can be a thing, and adults can decide they want to be a different gender. But to try to confuse and rewrite everything by removing the concept of gender from society just in case someone is one of the small minority you refer to is affected rather than dealing with the small minority you refer to differently, and to teach children they can choose gender and to confuse them with the inevitable and inappropriate sexual orientation concepts which run hand in hand when talking about these issues, and all the other woke bonkers is not alright.

I don't think biological males should be allowed to compete in women's sports. I think that vulnerabilities should be handled differently to protect everyone at a balance, and to be aware of development research in relation to children - which is not the case right now.

I am quite shocked, and gutted to be honest I honestly thought she had it in the, she's so measured and intelligent and eloquent compared to trump. I do agree with a lot of her policies but I am quite left leaning myself.

I think he world over going forward, left leaning parties really need to start focusing on issues that are important to voters, the US election this year seemed to be steamrolled by the abortion issue (it's a big issue so should have taken centre stage) but the every day things people are worried about were ignore, so the democrats benefited a lot from single issue voters. I think they also need to accept that immigration is a huge issue for people and address it, they need a plan that works for everyone - I think our labour party needs to do the same, because the 'stop the boats' campaign is too enticing for voters.

There have been some big shocks leading to further right parties being in power and it's not safe, but ultimately left leaning parties aren't challenging this.

Not just Britain and not just "peecent him from winning". Stop him doing it again.

Brit here - slightly left of centre and feel voiceless in the UK.

I suspect that there are a lot of Americans who are similarly positioned and see nobody who speaks for them. I further suspect that Trump votes - like many of the other right wing votes globally (see: Reform) are protest votes rather than support votes. People sick of being afraid to voice any view that isn't 'far left' for fear of being demonised, and working people are struggling with day to day living and believe that the left doesn't have their best interests at heart.

The Democrats have missed an opportunity. They have played to their echo chambers and ignored the 'disgruntled of America' dismissing them as a bit thick, a bit racist and a bit unworthy and unwinnable'. I also think that they banked on more minority votes simply on the back of Kamala being a woman of colour. They need to regroup and start listening to the people that they are so dismissive of - whether their views are aligned with yours or not - these are their people and they are fed up and want to be listened to.

FWIW: I would have voted for Kamala. I fear for the Ukraine and I worry about women's rights over their own bodies - but I am not remotely shocked by the results for reasons above.

I havent read the whole thread, but I can understand why people voted for him, even if his manifesto was a complete fantasy of lies and fantasy. He is positive about a country he loves, and there is HUGE patriotism in the US, who will love that.
We are seemingly at the pinnacle of what capitalism, consumerism, corporate greed and globalisation was always going to be - the machinations of such systems have done exactly what they were designed to do and as a result a small minority of companies or people are hoarding the wealth, and people or the planet is utilised for shareholder profit. As a result everything is unsustainable, and people are poor, insecure and scared. They want things to carry on as theyve always been, but with the results being as they were a few decades ago, but there is not enough money in the system, theres too many people, and the resources are running thin.
Rather than face the systems being broken, and dealing with big changes, they look to someone who seems to be saying they can fix it, and to a certain extent the market will also support that, because of course big business wants to keep on keeping on. Nobody wants to hear that modern life is unsustainable. Nodody actually has any alternatives, so they will go with hope and promise rather than gloom and self flaggelation, and the capitalist dream will grind on for a few years yet.

Hyperbole again. There are other considerations for voters like the economy etc.

Lots of woman voted for Trump. Lots of gay people. Lots of black people.

We definitely should not console ourselves that the UK is somehow protected from this generational shift towards fascism as the post war generation dies out.

Five years ago a survey was already finding that a third of British young people were in favour of military rule and the end of democracy.

it’s this combination of arrogance and head-in-the-sand-ness that fucked it for the Democrats and will fuck it for the UK too.

We need to act fast or democracy will end up killing itself.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/onward-young-voters-democracy-armyuk5d4ad2e6e4b09e72973f7379/

Did I say her race and sex was the insult?

No, I was referring to name calling.

But Harris had nothing but word salad to offer and name calling "weird/fascist" so hey, I guess her individual self as candidate was an insult.

Who is going around killing newborns?!

He kept calling America a 'garbage can' at his rallies so that was hardly patriotic.

you what now?

@Mulhollandmagoo its interesting as I thought she was shockingly inarticulate and came across as quite ill educated given the positions she has held. Genuinely I had chats with people about this and many agreed and whilst she clearly is a lovely person I found it hard to believe she would have got the nomination if they had gone through a better process.

He was pretty much on message with ordinary voters concerns: we don't want to fund foreign wars, we don't want an open border, we can't afford food or gas or housing.

@SpudleyLass I wasn't commenting on anything you said.

The main cause of Trump winning is that the Democrats yet again selected an appalling candidate in Biden, then an appalling replacement in Harris. Democrats need to choose a leader who is someone who the voters can elect on their own merit rather than just telling voters they have to elect them because the opponent is terrible.