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To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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notsorighteousthesedays · 06/11/2024 06:43

I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

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HebburnPokemon · 06/11/2024 09:33

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 09:21

I made 5 lovely friends in the USA earlier this year. One is a Turkish gay man who lives with his disabled partner. They all are rejoicing. I cannot get my head round it. Truly.

What things are they saying?

CocoM66 · 06/11/2024 09:33

CurlewKate · 06/11/2024 07:10

@SpudleyLass "Democrats need to field better candidates."

Because Trump was positively stellar.....

Well, he's won two elections.

The democrats are idiots. In three election's against an anti establishment trump, they have fielded the wife of a former president, an ageing career politician, and a VP.

Mind blowing stupidity.

cardibach · 06/11/2024 09:34

Those commenting about 'the left' demonising Trump and his supporters and not understanding the issue, how do you explain how many Republicans either endorsed Harris or said Trump wasn't fit to be President - up to and including his last VP?
It's not just the left who worry about him.

MorrisZapp · 06/11/2024 09:34

Moonshiners · 06/11/2024 07:22

Come on. So the Republicans can put a convicted, weird, racist, rapist in charge, who talks nonsense and somehow its the Democrats fault?!

Agree. Trump can be as wildly unfit for office as he likes but the Dems have to find the perfect candidate or it's their fault he wins?

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 09:34

youheard · 06/11/2024 09:26

I said Americans are largely stupid, greedy and unprogressive - largely because obviously not very many of them. I stand by that and this vote has proved it definitively, not that I love by any means everythign about the Democrats.

So do you normally call people “stupid,greedy and in progressive” if they don’t agree with you? Who are you comparing Americans to? Which nationality aren’t these things?

SpudleyLass · 06/11/2024 09:34

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 09:32

But Trump refused to answer any questions that he didn't like. He either said 'that's a horrible question' or 'you're a horrible interviewer'.

Harris did answer direct questions. She was never unpleasant or rude to the interviewers. Surely even you can agree that Trump was boorish, rude and insulting when being interviewed by people other than his own supporters e.g. Tucker Carlson?

Certainly boorish, yes.

I'm merely stating that Harris being a woman was not the main issue voter's had with her.

HebburnPokemon · 06/11/2024 09:34

Savemydrink · 06/11/2024 09:22

She didn’t lose because she’s a woman. She lost because she was a rubbish VP and would have been a terrible president.

Maybe.

I was focused on Trump however.

Squashinthepinkcup · 06/11/2024 09:35

SadSadGirl · 06/11/2024 08:39

Yeah, they literally voted for someone who advocates for sexual assault (and does it himself). Is there no minimum requirement of how to behave? I always thought bragging about rape was probably approximately where the line might be drawn, but clearly I'm wrong.

Precisely. The mind boggles. “You have to treat ’em like shit" is a direct quote re: women I believe. Didn't he leave with the lowest approval rate in history??

Then you know, there's his attitude to climate change, attempting to undermine the 2020 election, inciting violence, contradicting himself regularly, outright lying (wasn't there a whole report fact checking hm and finding he lies more than any politician in history? Something like over 30,000 false or misleading statements during his term in office), mocking the disabled (was a case with a reporter if I remember rightly?), suggesting injecting disinfectant....actively bullying people, being impeached...twice! First time that's ever happened. He's a convicted criminal, surrounded by criminals which would have been convicted had Trump not pardoned them. He's used his podium for personal gain (appreciate many politicians do this but most sources agree not on this scale) made xenophobic comments about Muslims, Mexicans, Native Americans, African-Americans and Jews...to name a few. Calling Haiti and African nations 'shithole countries'. Anyone remember all those children separated from their parents at the border with apparently no plan to reunite them? I can't imagine for a moment voting for a party who has that guy as their leader, but seems that the prospect of 4 more years of Democrats was worse...

Yes the world survived it last time, but I still remember a feeling of wincing when I heard his name, peeking out behind fingers wondering what on earth he was going to say/do next. That's not the feeling you want from the most powerful human on the planet

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1221099922367916

681K views · 3.2K comments | 10 Worst Things About the Trump Presidency | For anyone who's forgotten just how bad Trump was, here are 10 Worst Things About the Trump Presidency — in no particular order. | By Robert Reich | Facebook

681K views · 3.2K comments | 10 Worst Things About the Trump Presidency | For anyone who's forgotten just how bad Trump was, here are 10 Worst Things About the Trump Presidency — in no particular order. | By Robert Reich | Facebook

For anyone who's forgotten just how bad Trump was, here are 10 Worst Things About the Trump Presidency — in no particular order.

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1221099922367916

alottobedone · 06/11/2024 09:36

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 09:26

So someone else's daughter was ok?

No hyperbole. Just fact.

In relation to the rape, the action was brought as a civil action, not a criminal action. In civil actions there are reduced requirements in relation to proof, there will be different evidence requirements and different probity. There will have been reasons why the action was brought as a civil not a criminal action. For civil action you can be awarded damages. In relation to criminal actions there is conviction or not conviction - there is no conviction in civil actions. To reiterate, you cannot get a conviction in a civil action, you can get money. It is completely different. I am not giving any kind of value judgement one way or the other here, I am just saying you need to be clear about what actually happened, when it happened, how long after event the action was brought and the evidence put forward by both sides and the reasons given by the judge.

RamblingEclectic · 06/11/2024 09:37

Not everyone who didn't vote for Harris voted for Trump. There were other candidates available - including another woman who will likely once again get part of the blame as she did when Hilary Clinton lost - and many chose not to vote. It's been acknowledged since this election season started that small parties and voter refusal was going to take more from Democrats than it would Republicans, that Democrats needed to strongly focus on outside of their voter base to the growing number of independents - and they didn't. They kept preaching to the choir and their wealthy backers (see Harris at her expensive fundraiser during the civilian-led post-flood efforts in Appalachia because federal help was no where to be seen and states other than Florida were really struggling - and then days into it Harris insulted DeSantis for doing the work without talking to her, as if he's meant to do that, which Biden did not back her on at all thankfully). Their 2020 tactics of focus on the evils of Trump wasn't going to work a second time, too much time has passed and too much shit has happened since.

Part of the issue the Democrats have had for over a decade now is that the their strongholds on the West Coast and parts of the North East have found it acceptable to dismiss, insult, and shit on pretty much everyone in other areas. That on top of decades of promises that they'll ensure the equality everyone is so sure Harris was going to bring (Dems have been promising to codify abortion since at least the 90s, probably earlier, they dangle these every time, but mostly only inflate their own power) has resulted in fewer swing battleground states as people feel the Democrats no longer can represent them.

Democrats will largely blame the voters and some of them will blame small parties, it's easy to do, even though they'd been warned for well over a year the landscape they were going into and really only have themselves to blame. Eventually they'll have to look at themselves or fall apart. It'll be similar for Labour - they got in mostly cause people were sick of the Tories, they won't be able to rely on that next time. We'll see if they can learn.

This feels a lot like Brexit conversations - point out Remain's campaign was absolutely shite, and you get told that as the status quo they didn't need to campaign (or at least I've been told that when discussing it) and people are just dumb. That attitude has never gotten us anywhere, it certainly doesn't suggest that said person cares about others and equality, but it somehow sticks around.

HebburnPokemon · 06/11/2024 09:37

timenowplease · 06/11/2024 09:23

I was responding to OP but the same applies to you. Trump is not going to rape your daughters.

Maybe stop with the hysteria and hyperbole and stop stirring up stuff online.

It's done.

ugh you're being disingenuous. By voting Trump in, the US say they support rapists and general misogyny.

DrBlackbird · 06/11/2024 09:38

The world survived last time because he didn’t know what he was doing he appointed some adults to help govern. He won’t do that this time. JKR responsible for health? God. That man is a total nutter.

D23456789 · 06/11/2024 09:38

Superworm24 · 06/11/2024 09:32

I agree with this. We have friends and family in the states who have voted for trump. They aren't idiots, they've just had enough and there wasn't a better alternative.

There was an interesting piece on radio 4 last week looking at the way political parties ignore and talk down to poorer, less educated communities. You can't just dismiss a massive part of the population by calling them thick and racist, they still get a vote.

Agree @Superworm24 and @Chenecinquantecinq - the way some political parties talk down on those with different views; it blocks proper listening and understanding.

StarDolphins · 06/11/2024 09:39

youheard · 06/11/2024 09:26

I said Americans are largely stupid, greedy and unprogressive - largely because obviously not very many of them. I stand by that and this vote has proved it definitively, not that I love by any means everythign about the Democrats.

So every single person that voted for him to ensure a win is unintelligent?🤣 ok then…

Another2Cats · 06/11/2024 09:39

moimichme · 06/11/2024 08:33

Trump said repeatedly that people (his supporters) wouldn't have to worry about voting again after this election, as long as he won. Will he really go quietly into the night and give up power after 4 years?? He didn't want to last time. He now has a majority in the Senate so they could potentially change rules around term limits. That's if he cares about following the law (not very much). Scary times for the U.S. and the world if another larger war develops on top of all the other issues facing us.

"...so they could potentially change rules around term limits. That's if he cares about following the law (not very much). "

Oh, good grief. Don't be so ridiculous. To amend the Constitution, you need a vote by two-thirds of both houses or two-thirds of the states. It then has to be ratified by three quarters of the states.

Mumtumtastic · 06/11/2024 09:40

Lickthips · 06/11/2024 07:17

Honestly, this.

Now we have 4 more years of the orange baboon on our screens spouting bollocks.

😂

MichaelandKirk · 06/11/2024 09:40

If Kemi gets into bed with Farage I believe the next election will be very interesting in the UK

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 09:40

alottobedone · 06/11/2024 09:36

In relation to the rape, the action was brought as a civil action, not a criminal action. In civil actions there are reduced requirements in relation to proof, there will be different evidence requirements and different probity. There will have been reasons why the action was brought as a civil not a criminal action. For civil action you can be awarded damages. In relation to criminal actions there is conviction or not conviction - there is no conviction in civil actions. To reiterate, you cannot get a conviction in a civil action, you can get money. It is completely different. I am not giving any kind of value judgement one way or the other here, I am just saying you need to be clear about what actually happened, when it happened, how long after event the action was brought and the evidence put forward by both sides and the reasons given by the judge.

I'm aware.

It does not change the fact that on the evidence he was found to be liable and Kaplan stated it was rape.

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 06/11/2024 09:41

SpudleyLass · 06/11/2024 06:47

Democrats need to field better candidates.

And stop insulting the electorate

This is 2016 all over again - they just refused to listen to what people were telling them.

THIS.

It was entirely predictable for anyone actually listening to what was going on in town hall meetings and school boards. Ordinary voters have been horrified at the advance of identity politics, the alliance of the Dems with terrorism - whether that be Radical Islam or TRAs.

The democrats have refused to engage in critical thinking on a range of issues, they seem untethered from reality to what is clearly now MOST ordinary americans

lifeturnsonadime · 06/11/2024 09:41

wowzelcat · 06/11/2024 09:30

Ok, I’ll get flamed for this, but I am going to say this. Transgenderism in nature is a thing. Not a common thing, but a thing. Many species of slugs are hermaphroditic…you know how they mate…and maybe you’ve seen them hanging from trees with a ring of slime and two protuberances. These are their penises…yup they are both transgender, boy girl meets girl boy. They hit each other with their dicks, those protuberances you see to force the other to be the girl.

In humans, one in 15,000 males is born and grows up as a girl. And neither these girls nor their parents know it. These girls do not discover anything different until puberty. Girls born with XY chromosomes are genetically boys but for a variety of reasons – mutations in genes that determine sexual development – the male characteristics are never expressed. They live their lives as girls and then women, and a few can even give birth. But genetically they are male.

Morris syndrome is now called 46,XY DSD: androgen insensitivity syndrome. These people have an extremely high level of testosterone and other male sex hormones, but the testosterone does not affect the foetal cells that usually develop into male sexual organs because of a mutation in the androgen receptor gene. These people therefore have male chromosomes but are women socially and in external appearance. They do not have internal female sexual organs, and they form testicles that remain concealed in the abdominal cavity

There are people who have gender dysphoria as well. We think this has to do with the level of hormones they are exposed to as a foetus, particularly testosterone. There is also a genetic factor as indicated above. In XY animals, it has been shown that environmental endocrine disruptors, through their anti-androgenic activity, induce a female identity.

Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria. This is not hooey I am making up. You can go to the Mayo Clinic website and read about it.

here are some papers
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/transgender-facts/art-20266812

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/2/390/5104458

https://www.mdpi.com/2039-4713/14/1/10

www.mdpi.com/2039-4713/14/1/10

This small percentage of people have been used as scapegoats and terrorised to reinforce traditional gender roles for political reasons, as a dog whistle for the right. Women’s rights in the USA are going to decrease sharply…they already have with the overturning of Roe v Wade due to a Trump nominated Supreme Court. And, fascistic states have promoted pronatalism historically.

But every human being on this planet has a sex.

Even people with DSDs are either male or female.

Most of the time people's sex doesn't matter much because we all just get on with it. But there are times when Sex does matter, such as sport because female and male bodies are different.

What the Democrats said to girls and women athletes is that that doesn't matter. Male feeling are more important. They've told girls & women they are bigots for pointing out unfairness. They have changed laws to remove women and girls rights wrt to sport.

In addition they have told women and girls that their safety and dignity doesn't matter wrt to single sex spaces, even in prisons, rape crisis centres. They have told all women they are bigoted for pointing out harms, even religious minority women and sexual assault survivors. Women can't complain.

They have told children they can be born wrong and follow WPATH which allows children to seek medical procedures whilst they are still minor. Anyone who questions the ethics of this is called a bigot.

I sincerely hope that Trump is not cruel to trans identifying people but one positive of this election result is that women will not be gaslit into believing that men who identify as women are more vulnerable and should have more rights than they do.

Obviously the abortion issue is awful but the Democrats failed to codify Roe v Wade despite the fact that that was an Obama pre-election promise. Abortion rights were not important to the Democrats until now.

HebburnPokemon · 06/11/2024 09:42

stupid, greedy and unprogressive

Seems so.

HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 09:42

alottobedone · 06/11/2024 09:27

Neither side is right on abortion. The UK and most other countries could more reasonably say they have it right - up to three months abortion by choice is permitted and after that (or thereabouts) abortion for medical reasons is permitted. In the US, the women calling for total body autonomy ie abortion at chioce right up to term is not reasonable either. R v W as it currently stands has made life very difficult and dangerous for women, there should be a reasonable sensible policy applying across the entire of the US, not left up to individual states. Something middle of the road is right. What I am not sure about is what Trump means by pro life, I thought he was supporting something along the lines of the UK.

Vance has spoken about the fact that he is from a broken home and I can't remember the details but it is long the lines of his mother having had to put up with very unreasonable behaviour from his father and he is supportive of his mother, and is aware of women's issues, and I am fairly sure he is in favour of balance re abortion ie similar to UK stance.

Erm, In the US, the women calling for total body autonomy ie abortion at chioce right up to term is not reasonable either If a woman needs an abortion at any time, then who are you to say she cant.

No one is calling for abortions at birth, all women want is the ability to have a safe abortion if they need it.

AcceptAllChanges · 06/11/2024 09:42

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 06/11/2024 09:11

I think as usual America threw up two awful candidates and one of the awful candidates got in.

^ this, really!

I really wanted to adore Kamala H, but she should be more careful, in the internet era, saying completely contradictory things depending where she's speaking.

Re Trump, maybe we could find a better way forward if people listened to his supporters instead of dismissing them as stupid. Being virtuous and altruistic is not the only valid worldview, and even if a leader completely embodied those qualities it would be hard for them to find expression in a political system that must always reach compromise with stakeholders.

To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially
Ponoka7 · 06/11/2024 09:42

HebburnPokemon · 06/11/2024 09:37

ugh you're being disingenuous. By voting Trump in, the US say they support rapists and general misogyny.

What do you think about the Democrats opinion that there's no such thing as a woman? Anyone can be a woman, it's a feeling. Bearing in mind that strip searches are the norm on arrest, so biological female officers are no longer needed. Is that not misogyny?

pattihews · 06/11/2024 09:43

Backwoods57 · 06/11/2024 07:02

Brit in the US:

Over the past 10 years the liberal's have shut down friendly political debate. If you are not a Democrat you are automatically shot down as being a Nazi supporter. This obviously has upset a majority. However they have just kept quiet and nodded along to maintain friendships, saving their true views for the privacy of the voting booth.

You cannot win thoughts and minds by shouting them down and demonizing them.

This. If you don't listen to what the people who would usually be inclined to vote for you are telling you, you get Trump. I live in Wales and I'm expecting the Reform party to play a large part in government after the next Senedd elections. I hate Reform but I can understand why so many here, let down so badly by 25 years of Labour complacency and deafness to critical friends, will go that route.

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