To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

Well as we all know when the US sneezes the UK catches a cold.
We had Boris.
Rapists in the UK currently have a 95% chance of getting away with it.
Starmer as head of the cps apparently knew nothing of Savile or Al Fayed.
The US has Trump supporters we have Brexiteers. And Farage.

Democracy doesn’t seem to be working for the good does it?

@Another2Cats thank you

No, I'm afraid I don't believe the calibre of the female candidate would make any difference.

Field a man, ANY man, over a woman in the US if you want to stand a chance of winning the election. America is not there yet.

While abortion is an important issue that some have used it to decide who to vote for, there are wider global and national issues that also have to be considered when voting. Is Kamala really competant/experinced/wise enough to cope considering she has been effectively invisible for the last 4 years and Michelle Obama was not interested?

I think this is true. If saying a woman is a woman and a man is not a woman gets you called a nazi, you might as well vote for the candidate they call a nazi. But compounding all this is the influence of propaganda through algorithms, and the utter partiality of social media. Most of the electorate here and overseas are getting their information from social media posts, reels and shares that are targeted - far from a neutral informed electorate.

No I sincerely don’t believe reform have any answer whatsoever but they are the only ones pretending to listen so how can you be surprised when people reach out to them in hope when the other side, the side that’s supposed to be for them is the side condemning them at every turn.

None of that is to do with her as a candidate - that's poor campaign strategy and due to the fact she was very late to the race.

But other PPs have said the Dems need a better candidate .. and I too would like to know what people mean by that? It feels like there is an undercurrent, of 'better candidate' = old white man.

Both candidates are poor. People we know in the USA said it was a case of voting for the person you disliked the least. 🤷‍♀️

What Trump says and what Trump does bare very little co-relation.

We are walking into a dystopian future with our eyes wide open…

We (collectively) overestimated how much people care about politics. Most people don’t give a damn, and that’s why people like Trump get elected. If you don’t engage people why should they pay attention?

I also, sadly, have to agree with The Mooch - never underestimate how many people in large parts of the US are sexist/racist. It’s not a nice thing to say, but I bet there’s an awful lot of people (and I’ve seen people say that they’ve heard US family members say it) that they would not vote for Harris purely on the basis she is a woman.

What do you suggest as an alternative?

I have family in America and they are of the opinion that the Democrats could have dealt with the abortion issue earlier, but chose to leave it as a vote winner in this election. If that's true, then they have a hand in what's happened to women over there.
Theres also a feeling that in Democrat states they have overstepped and lost the plot when it comes to interference in family issues, I think around transitioning kids and not informing parents or undermining them.
I'm not sure how true any of this is, but if that's the perception voters are getting of the Democrats, then it's not inspiring confidence. The left generally (not only in the USA), has a tendency to think that anyone who doesn't agree with them on all issues is a nasty bigot.

Idk, seems like the Democrats once again picked a candidate that couldn't inspire support. I think a lot of this is on Biden for pushing for his second term and for being a useless president - it didn't bode well for his VP. She was seen as having had an opportunity to perform well and didn't.

In the world of politics, that is unfortunately not a trait unique to him.

Yeah this, it’s the progressive left really. I genuinely believe that many voters find trump repulsive in many ways yet still voted for him. Not because they think he will make things better but that the democrats will be worse.

The democrats should have been able to do a lot better, you can’t run a campaign on vibes. Kamala Harriss should never have been the candidate. She was poor, it pains me to say it, I was really excited that a woman of asian heritage made it as VP but she’s a dumbass.

Theres no point in attacking his character (which is vile, stupid and narcissistic) thats priced in, people are voting on what they think each candidate will do.

I actually miss Bill Clinton he was pretty gross but he was a bloody good president.

Honestly, I wish I knew. I can't fathom how anybody would vote for Trump or Republicans in geneal. However (and I'm basing this entirely on social media so I could be wrong), it seems like people have grabbed onto one issue and haven't seen past that. I can't even count the number of stupid posts I have seen on here about keeping men out of women's sports, or trans kids and gender reassignment surgery. Those same people screaming protect women are also supporting a rapist and misogynist who wants to take away all reproductive rights for women. Yeah, let's protect women 🙄. It's really just mind boggling and I feel like I'm in some bizarro timeline where humanity has just gone off the rails.

I wish I had a better answer for you.

Agreed. Very conflicting.

I always found the right's anti-choice abortion argument directly conflicts with their "small state" argument. How do they square that one?

Yes, he has. He also said he would have Liz Cheney shot in the face nine times and enact retribution against his enemies. I fully expect this to happen. He has made fun of people of colour and the disabled and he is a convicted felon who will pardon himself. America is a racist and misogynistic place. I know, I was born there, and I got the hell out. Thank God.

You would have thought, that with 350M people in our country, we could have fielded two better candidates. Mind-boggling that the two parties thought those two were the best of the bunch.

Sadly, money talks and intelligent people don't always have money for backing. The ones with backing these days have extreme views and are unwilling to learn to spell and use the word "compromise".

And yet for the Democrats choosing to alienate women by dying on the hill of mutilating children and exposing women and girls to increased assaults in what should be single sex spaces, is that not stupid?

Your post is amusing since it absolutely highlights the issue with left wingers. You make no attempt to address the substantive issues raised about why US voters are unhappy instead you use extreme language. Then you launch into a self-congratulatory rant about how virtuous the left is wanting world peace and an end to world hunger as though simply by dint of wanting good things your argument is obviously right. I am guessing you are comfortably off and many issues to do with wages, housing, availability of services, etc are not ones that directly affect you.

I heard someone say the other day that VP don’t have a brief, they are there for one reason only, to step over the Presidents dead body.

And yes, if Biden and his advisors had read the signs about his health and not ignored them, planned his exit , and taken time to find the best candidate and VP candidate ( which might or might not have been Kamala, who let’s face it got handed the shitty end of the stick) then the Democrats would have had a good shot at winning. I think Kamala has done better than many thought she would under the circumstances, but the failure of the campaign lies more at the Biden camp’s door than hers. We can only hope that the Democrats spend the next three years before the next declaration finding, supporting and training up a decent candidate, male or female, black or white.

Then if there is still an America left there will be a chance for its people to have a President deserving of the title.

Yep, stop insulting voters and stop putting ridiculous pop stars on platforms with them. When I saw the video of Kamala hugging Katy Perry and Orlando Bloom I felt my insides cringe. All that behavior does is make voters feel like the politicians are completely out of touch

She should have also included Hungary and Belarus.

No normal European democracies will be happy with this outcome.

We know that you love the orange maniac and hate the Labour Government, but in the same way as we need to suck up the fact that Trump has won, you need to suck up the fact that Labour won here.

He also called Puerto Rico garbage.
He has talked about getting political revenge on Dems he just disagreed with.
He made threatening remarks towards Liz Cheney.
He alluded to approving of journalists being shot at rallies.
He's a rapist.
He's a convicted felon.

Now, which of those things is likely to bring peace and unity to the states?