To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

Britain and the US should look back to 1939 Poland and understand why they should prevent Putin winning/ going further. If you think from this perspective, your argument has very little point.

I agree it was a big mistake to have Biden continue on for so long, especially with so much of the media pretending they couldn't see what everyone else so plainly could.

If Harris had been the candidate from the start of this campaign I think the Democrats could have been in with a chance.

Yeah, they literally voted for someone who advocates for sexual assault (and does it himself). Is there no minimum requirement of how to behave? I always thought bragging about rape was probably approximately where the line might be drawn, but clearly I'm wrong.

This. Inflation has soared under Biden, unemployment has increased, Biden has splurged billions of tax payers dollars and the average American isn’t feeling the benefits. Kamala with her progressive ideas just seems distracted and vague. She has been a terrible VP. It’s no wonder the Dems lost.

Trump has been President before and the sky didn’t fall in. Nothing is so bad and nothing is so good. Step away from social media and do something positive and within your control. Volunteer, pick litter, create a garden. Make your corner of the world good. It’s all we can do. You can’t control how people vote but you can control your response to it.

The electorate who would rather vote for a self-serving, criminal, sexual predatory Russian asset than a black woman with left-liberal politics?

I can understand Americans looking at the Biden stance on Gaza and feeling conflicted about voting for Harris. But looking at the alternative and thinking "not her, but This Guy"!?

I would sincerely hope that right now, both parties are thinking about how they can field better candidates next time.

That it came down to these two is a very poor indictment of how both parties operate.

"They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" - next US President.

No, there should have been a proper contest. She was crowned without being required to discuss what policies she stood for and fight for the nomination. Her record as VP is underwhelming btw.

The Labour win here was a protest vote too.

There was none of the sense of support and optimism of 1997.

That's why the government is pretty damned unpopular already

Maybe because so much more is at stake now than it was before. America's entire democracy was at stake in this election so it just can't be compared to previous elections. It also seems like people are dead set on voting against their own best interests. I think we will be seeing a lot of complaining in the coming years from people who voted for Trump talking about how they didn't know the country would get so bad, blah blah blah. It's kind of like the pro brexit voters complaining about trade, yes you fucking idiots, that was the most predicable outcome. There needs to be some accountability.

OK as I said earlier. Continue insulting the electorate and we'll see if it works out at any point for the Democrats. It hasn't in the past 8 years but might as well keep giving it the good old college try!

There needs to be some accountability.

What do you suggest?

But VPs never shine. Name one “shiny” thing that Mike Pence did. I can only name one—refusing to overturn the election on the Senate floor—that was only at the end as the shit was hitting the fan; not an actual policy during the 4 years of the administration. Can you name any “shiny” things that Joe Biden did as VP? What about Dick Cheney?

The democratic primaries chose Hillary Clinton

This misses the main issue in this election-the economy. Americans voted for the person they thought could reduce their grocery bill. A lot of them believed it was Trump and held their nose as they voted. Issues like Gaza were nothing compared to people wanting to put food on the family table.

Agreed, I'm sad for those who wanted this change & now will still suffer due to his hate. A racist, mysogonist,sexist,rapist,felon as president over Kamala is shocking to me

Given America’s woeful position on women’s rights, they were never going to vote in a female president this time round.

Women could have decided this election but I guess it’s not unusual to see the turkeys vote for Christmas.

Having said that, I also do think that the left can push too hard to the left and alienate moderates. Something that the dems (and labour) need to keep in mind.

Very very well said. This is the best post ive read in a long time and mirrors my thoughts exactly.

It would have been unsurprising if she’d lost to anyone other than a glow-in-the-dark, rapist, convicted felon. I think some people are understandably a bit surprised by that.

I’m only surprised the Democrats didn’t learn anything from 2016 and decided to field a woman again. Bad move. Women can’t win in America. If the Dems want to run a woman again, wait until the Republicans do it.

They were better off economically with Trump?

Accusations of fascism, racism, bigotry, callousness etc if you admit to being a conservative. I give it extraordinary that anyone asks that question. Watch BBC or Channel 4 and discern the quiet contempt for right wing views. This is one of the reasons why polling often gives the wrong answer. People cba to deal with noisy, opinionated, hate filled liberals. It is so tiresome.

Yes this is so true I’ve been to America many times ( family there ) it always shocks me what I hear on the radio openly rascist comments. When I go
I think oh we are so similar in many ways but when I am actually there at times I think oh my we are so very different.
Especially when it takes a turn in the conversation like endorsing an idiot like Trump or gun laws or against woman’s right to choose it’s mind blowing!
I see Jill Biden wore a red suit ( republican colours) to vote knowing full well the message, she would have been better encouraging her husband to step down and not go for a second term but think she loved the limelight too much, this decision forced them to pick Kamela and America was never ready for that no matter how many celebrities spoke out in her support.

Amen

That makes sense.