To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

How is this becoming increasingly apparent? And why is anyone who doesn’t support Trump on the left? There is a very wide and nuanced political spectrum people are turning into a binary left or right.

Demographically, Russia is not in a position to invade the Baltic states. And why would Putin want to? This is a popular talking point, but it's extremely unlikely to happen (within the next 50 years or so - who knows what tides will shift after that).

The world has 'supported' Ukraine just enough to draw out the war an inflict maximum harm on that country (and on Russia, to be fair). Should have fully committed to assist or not involved themselves at all. Ukrainians don't want to fight. Time for negotiation, for better or worse. I am disappointed that Harris lost, but at least it may force an end to a pointless conflict.

Why won’t some people own their decisions in regard to who they vote for or support? Why are they cowards? Instead of saying stuff like ‘the left said mean things to me so I was forced to vote this way!’ or ‘Harris spoke funny so I was forced to vote this way!’ Just admit you were seduced by the rhetoric of the person you voted for.

If you’re confident you did the right thing then there’s no need to blame others. I’d respect them more if they just said ‘I align with Trumps values and actions’. Simple.

What does ‘prepare for turbulent times ahead’ even mean? We are permanently in turbulent times. Same old story time again. You can politically aware and compartmentalise what at the end of the day you have no influence in changing.

Trump said repeatedly that people (his supporters) wouldn't have to worry about voting again after this election, as long as he won. Will he really go quietly into the night and give up power after 4 years?? He didn't want to last time. He now has a majority in the Senate so they could potentially change rules around term limits. That's if he cares about following the law (not very much). Scary times for the U.S. and the world if another larger war develops on top of all the other issues facing us.

She will not have a few, she will have none, unless she can fly to a state that isn't a Republican hell hole.

You and me both. I posted many months ago that I can't see a female USA President within 50 years, if not longer.

The really good people would accept the results and try not spout more hate and division. Where do you fit OP?

Trump is calling for healing the country.

NATO has to. I hope.
My country borders Russia. I’m stocking up on tinned goods + the govt just issued a pretty hefty Prep leaflet. Finland and the Baltic countries must also be preparing frantically (stoically) now.

My guess is USA wont side with Russia, but wont support nato either in a worst case scenario.
Mind you, they have just had two years on the trot of massive nato marine exercises in the North Sea (the US together with European countries, with their enormous war ships).

I can’t see Russia being satisfied with Ukraine, even if they clearly are stretched too thin already. But North Korea is on the scene too, and they seem to have functioning nuclear weapons. So even though Russia’s own are defunct they now have access to NK’s Stock. That makes Putin’s nuclear threat a little more serious by the looks of it.

Unless the Dems fielded a puppy kicking, child fiddling, nazi saluting nutjob wearing a literal straight jacket & a fucking hockey mask wielding a goddamn chainsaw ANYONE was better... Like, anyone!

Said person, as long as they were male, would still stand a better chance of being elected in the US than a woman.

Yup, all that.

The polarised world very much exists in the 'real world'. There were numerous threads on MN around Brexit with people going no-contact because of their families political views and around conduct during COVID too.

Which i've seen in 'real life' and not just on MN too.

How is it in 2024 they still have never had a female leader and many women would rather vote for a rapist and to probably get pardons for rapists and ban abortion than have a female President. It’s absolutely bonkers.

This is what I cannot grasp. What is going on with American women???

How odd. I have never, ever said I wanted to control other people’s opinions. I do however think a lot of people’s response to Brexit was bizarre. Social media has fuelled people’s belief that theirs is the only opinion that matters and anyone who holds is different one is stupid and deserving of their anger.

The voters were not taken on by identity politics. Trump gained amongst black voters, lanino voters.

Utterly depressing and terrifying. I despair. What is the matter with people?

I don't know enough about the everyday life and struggles of the USA to make a fully informed opinion (the same as many commenting) so I do seek out Americans so I hope its OK to ask you.

What is it that's happening there, to make so many people vote Trump over the Democrats? I read that Republicans won battlegrounds that could swing either way. What, in your opinion, has happened or is happening, to sway that?

It's not rhetoric at all @Shakeoffyourchains. It's an accurate explanation of what has happened on several occasions. Not say that the left are not to blame for anything is very naive. I do agree with you re the right's nasty, divisive, racist tones though.

Got any tips on how to do this?

I feel genuinely upset.

Unfortunately it’s also the way democracy dies. If it’s ‘the will of the people’ to elect a tyrant then the seeds of destruction are right there. We’ll just have to hope that the American system is enough to prevent this but not feeling optimistic rn.

Not sure he'll last that long. He's demonstrably got dementia.

Ain't that the truth.

The US is heading back to the 1800s. God bless America !

It is because the bottom line for most people is the $/£ in their pocket. The majority of the US and UK population have become poorer in real terms for many, many years. They are not voting for a moral leader. They are protesting and voting against the establishment because this establishment have let them down. Badly.

Yes totally agree.