To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

I don't get that argument at all, Trump simply couldn't have been more unelectable by a sensible public. It's astonishing when you look at all he has said & done that he's got another term.

Unless the Dems fielded a puppy kicking, child fiddling, nazi saluting nutjob wearing a literal straight jacket & a fucking hockey mask wielding a goddamn chainsaw ANYONE was better... Like, anyone!

It's such a weak weak argument to say 'well tbf the Dems were a bit meh 🤷🏼‍♀️'

It is in the interests of those wishing for power, to keep a large part of the population ignorant and bigoted, in order to have an easy route for fanning their diiscontent and anger into flames at the whim and will of the powerful.

Name me a single country with consistently higher levels of education for its majority, which have had an extremist leader.

It's is far easier to control people's reactions when they operate on sound bites and emotions.

Rape is wrong. There is nothing arbitrary about it.

Supporting a rapist is horrific.

I think the Democrats do need to find much better candidates. I think Biden won on an anti-Trump vote last time, but choosing Harris as VP was a bad move, she was effectively a wild card appointment after being rejected by the Democrats so early in the race to be their candidate in 2020.The the wild card became the presidential candidate after the Democrats' internal coup. I think that put out the message they can't run their own party efficiently, never mind the USA.
The Republicans also need to find a much better candidate if Trump, his criminal convictions and fantasy world is the best they can offer. But he's been consistent while the Democrat candidates have been on a downward path since Obama.
What a dire choice for the US electorate.

I live in Surrey and no-one thinks that Tory vote means your racist, even a Reform will raise eyebrows but a flag waving neo -nazi? Not really,

if you say you support Britain First, they would think your're a racist POS, perhaps going on Tommy Robinson marches would label you as 'radical' and not their cup of tea.

This polarised world doesn't exist in the real world. There's a unreal, online world , where people echo chamber their bollocks to each other that they think this is the real world, it isn't.

Yes, exactly this, thank you.

"...and they are fervent in their core beliefs."

Yes, I totally agree. I always recommend people read John Sopel's book "If only they didn't speak English". It really opened my eyes to how these core beliefs (e.g. right to choose, gun control, etc.) really influence voting in the States.

I agree, I don’t support him at all, I’m speculating about why the vote has gone the way it seems to have done.

I consider myself left of centre politically but I am increasingly disappointed that so many people on ‘my side’ proclaim that others who don’t vote as they do are ‘stupid’. It used to be that if you voted differently to someone else that was it. You simply had different views. But nowadays woe betide you vote for the ‘wrong’ person or party because if you do it means you are stupid.

it’s frustrating and doesn’t help anyone in the long run.

Totally agree.

So much complacency in allowing Biden to stay as long as he did.

Its the will of the people - thats how democracy works...get over it

Do you prefer a puppet run by some unknown unelected people?

Yes, there was a lot of incoherent rambling about NATO, Putin, Tehran last time he was in office. That's what the US voters should be concerned about but the country as a whole are so insular they don't understand the implications of this for the rest of the world.

Be prepared for turbulent times ahead.

I suppose we do have the luxury of sitting back and watching it all unfold, safe in the knowledge that our kids won't die in school shootings, or die when they are refused healthcare for a miscarriage, or die of polio when RFK outlaws all vaccines.

Trump's campaign was pretty much only about hate but it obviously worked.

I agree, the Democrats need to find stronger candidates. When a woman hating, stupid, lying, racist, convicted felon wins against an honest black woman then you have to ask why, and the main reason apart from the ignorance of many of the voting population, but hey that’s called democracy is that Kamala wasn’t seen as a strong enough candidate, she didn’t come across well. I also agree that unfortunately her sex played a huge part in it, America doesn’t trust women.

At least we know it’s only four years, he can’t stand again. And I hate to pile on the agony, but I hope Trump isn’t felled by bullet or stroke because Vance sounds even worse. 🙁

"Where are the moderates????"

I think that we're much more likely to see those next time. Since 1951, US presidents have only been allowed to serve two terms. So Trump can't stand again.

There won't be an incumbent president running next time who drops out at the last minute, and there won't be any former presidents running either. Both candidates will have to go through their respective primaries and, hopefully, stronger candidates from each side will emerge.

I have no idea who these people might be then but at the moment on the Democrat side you've got the likes of Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore. If any of them had been put up I think they may have won.

With Republicans, you've got Nikki Hayley, Ron DeSantis, Chris Christie.

I think the next election will be very different indeed.

I’m worried for my niece who will few reproductive rights.

Sterilising, castrating, or giving mastectomies to children is wrong. There is nothing arbitrary about it.

Supporting transgenderists is horrific.

This. I can’t stand Farage but surely people realise if he was leading the Conservatives next time round he’d likely win. I think if Conservatives had been able to merge with Reform and have him as leader they would have won this time around.

He has worked hard to build a persona that connects with people and he makes people feel listened to and considered. He may or may not actually do anything positive for them if he’s ever in power but people need to feel like they are being heard. What’s infuriating with the left is writing people off for being too stupid/racist/whatever other insult to realise they should be voting for Labour or the Democrats. If they’d could stop that and get someone in charge who connected and listened and then explained how they feel like their policies could resolve people’s issues/address their concerns then they could equally have a real landslide victory where they got the popular vote as well as winning the most seats.

I am really worried about what will happen in Ukraine though, Biden had made promises of financial support which I think will be confetti on the White House steps as soon as Trump is back in situ.

Not your place to control other people thoughts and emotions, sorry. Also, feeling anger and disappointment is not the same as a having tantrum.

I personally never met anyone happy about Brexit. A lot of people are indifferent, but saying "I benefitted from Brexit" - never happened.

It’s not an accusation. It’s a genuine question. And I’ll ask you the same question @Livelovebehappy ; Trump is a racist. That’s not an opinion - it’s fact. There are multiple examples of his racist language and actions. He’s also a misogynist. So - answer the question. What does it say about you that you support a racist and a misogynist?

it doesn’t sum up the situation perfectly. It’s incredibly insulting and ignores the many reasons why people make the decisions they do. It’s done so much harm to polarise opinions. Nobody cares what I think though and people will still use it in the future because it’s a catchy sound bite which they think makes them sound clever.

American living in the UK here and YANBU. America and the world are truly fucked. Americans seem to be obsessed with their own self destruction and that is exactly what is going to happen. My husband and I were contemplating moving back but now I know I am never going back bc a Trump term isn't just bad for 4 years, the damage he will do is going to ruin America for the next 50.

Now, how do I go about explaining to every international person I meet for the next 4 years that I am not in fact one of the fuckwits who voted for this shit show?

Yes they are fucked and maybe europe because Russia might go past Ukraine

Hopefully the constant giveaway is gonna end.
By the way, I would like to know, how quickly would Ukraine jump to start supporting Britain?