To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

I know hindsight is annoying but those years spent claiming Biden was fit enough to complete one let alone two terms were utterly wasted. They needed a proper debate to find a proper candidate.

But who made you the arbiter of what is right? I think this attitude has been part of the problem turning US voters off. Their individual opinions matter too and the condescension shown towards them has now reaped predictable results.

Only 18% of UK voters support Trump Vs 75% supporting Harris / not supporting him.

I don't think our political landscape is the same.

I agree with this.

The issues of this election have been glaringly obvious since 2016.

Democratics haven't done anything to really address that. They have not offered anything that moderate Americans felt was important enough to vote for.

This isn't actually about the nutcase Trump supporters.

That's the mistake.

The language is hyperbolic but the standard drug treatment offered to children and young teens as part of 'gender affirmation' is puberty blockers followed by 'cross-hormones'. The long-term effects have been extremely poorly researched, not least because this is all very new for gender confused youngsters - they used to get psychological treatment and the vast majority outgrew that confusion once they were through puberty - but what is known is that both male and female adolescents on this regime are likely to become infertile and incapable of a normal sexual response, i.e. having an orgasm and feeling sexual attraction. If the teen proceeds to the barbaric surgical treatment on offer to remove their reproductive organs and fashion a very poor facsimile of the opposite sex's external sex organs, they lose their fertility beyond doubt. There is no good evidence that any of this helps them live their lives as happy, fulfilled adults. There is plenty of evidence of very poor health as a direct result of having the surgery because of the high infection risk, and higher risk of heart disease, osteoporosis and other serious health conditions as a result of the hormone treatments.

I loathe Donald Trump and everything he stands for but there is unfortunately no doubt that the Republicans have been a lot more sceptical about gender affirmation than the Democrats. They are no friends to women's rights and the safeguarding of vulnerable people, and probably very keen on traditional gender roles, so their reasons for opposing gender ideology would be different from mine and most other British gender critical people. The Democrats just appear to have swallowed this very new ideology whole without subjecting it to any critical thinking whatsoever, and that's proved very harmful to a growing number of children, adolescents and young adults.

Um, yeah - that was kind of my point. I.e. so many shouting that, so many believing it. But even if you accept that argument (I don't) they've still elected a rapist and pretty fucking despicable human being.

I agree, except the remainers' response ( and I voted remain but like you come from a working class background) made me think very differently about my middle class friends. They had always pretended to be social justice warriors who believed in empowering the poor, and their response after brexit showed that was always paternalistic patronising bollocks as they were outraged that working classes held the democratic power with the brexit vote.

I didn't want to believe this, but you are right.

Or admit to.

I think it sums up the situation perfectly!

It massively undermined the credibility of the Democrats.

They lied about Biden right until they couldn't lie about him anymore.

This is madness. How was the figure of 18% reached? By canvassing MN posters??

I am mystified at how much gender identity discussions have taken over political debates in the west. I have worked with transgender people in my long career in mental health. We were doing ok and treated people with respect in the 90s and 2000s though of course intolerant idiots have always existed. An issue which affects a relatively small number of people has just ballooned disproportionately.

I am passionate about tolerance and acceptance but perhaps controversially, I think the current preoccupation with gender identity has become really unhelpful for all. And distracting from other important issues in politics.

Biden has not produced more jobs. They fudged the figures and later had to own up to having elevated the number by 800,000

You can’t believe what they say, they lie

Dreadful news, but entirely predictable unfortunately... it was lost when Biden decided to run again when he was clearly not capable 🤷🏻‍♀️ it was too big a mountain to climb for Harris.

Oh so you must have missed the plan for Ofcom to shut down GB News. And before Musk bought X all sorts of people were banned from there (all perceived as "right" including people like KJK). I don't think Musk had banned anyone has he (unless they are breaking the law of course) as he believes in free speech which the left don't for their opponents.

I am just commenting on those who say their views have been proven right because Trump has won. That’s not necessarily the case.

I am not commenting on the results as they aren't in now, but need to point out that legally Trump is not a proven racist or a convicted racist. If you want to slur, try to be accurate with the slurs or otherwise it comes across as crazy. Most people haven't a clue what has changed in the last 4 years and what the policies actually are of the two runners - we should be focusing on the policies and reasons behind them, not trying to get personal.

Well said.

I am absolutely sick of this rhetoric. The left are not to blame for anything.

Wanting a more equal society, where everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, nationality and status is treated fairly is not woke. Wanting to ensure the planet and all it's inhabitants aren't exploited and decimated for the benefit of a few isn't woke. Both of those should be everyone's aim, yet here we are pursuing isolationism, xenophobia, bigotry, racism and elitism at the behest of rich, elitist men.

The left, here and abroad, have tried to explain time and time again why the issues working class natives face are not the fault of the equally downtrodden and working class migrant, but they don't want to hear it. Far easier to blame an asylum seeker for "getting all our money" than to accept that the elitist man they voted for lied.

If they don't want to listen to reason because they're wedded to the idea that "elitist man has my best interests at heart" despite all evidence to the contrary then that's on them, not the left.

A big part of me can’t get too het up about this, because I only have so much capacity to absorb worry and panic when the world keeps turning. Over 50% of the electorate have voted the guy in. He’s the president they want. Good luck to them. I feel desperately sorry for the women and minorities of the US but his last term was pretty unremarkable from an international view – mostly hot air and 4yrs of rambling that he’d do things that he never did. I don’t think he’s got an appetite for significant foreign policy, he just wants to control the American people.

And I love this idea that trump voters are poor downtrodden souls who are being patronised by themiddle classes. The ones I have seen are assertive and confident and more than able to stand their ground and insult others who don’t think like them!

Kamala lalalala was far too weak to win .

They haven't counted all the votes yet yet he's claiming victory i just looked and she's got 227 and he's got 267 you need to get to 270 but still a few states left to count

NewStartOct2024....yes I know. I meant at the end of this four (or 8..) year term.