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"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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HeadacheEarthquake · 04/11/2024 15:40

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

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DungareesAndTrombones · 04/11/2024 17:30

I am absolutely terrified of these dogs, that poor little girl. My sister is mates with some people who have one, admittedly whenever I see photos it's got one of those ginormous muzzles on. But when I see my little niece cuddling it it makes me sick. My BIL is the type to say the dog would never do anything.

I'm so scared of bumping into one with my daft goldie who hasn't a clue which dogs are friendly and which are not.

Trumptonagain · 04/11/2024 17:33

Errors · 04/11/2024 15:55

I still keep seeing things pop up on social media where people are showing off their XL Bullies, they’re walking to heel off lead with no muzzle and the captions are usually “and people say they’re out of control”
Yes, they may not be in that little snippet but they are prone to snap!

These news articles still won't make those with that mentality realise that it could one day happen to their loved ones.

Probsnot · 04/11/2024 17:35

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 04/11/2024 17:24

There doesn't seem to be a great deal of sympathy for the victims in these cases, and every sympathy for the dog - even by the authorities. I find it very strange.

Controversially, I do feel more sympathy for the dogs at times.

Similar to me as the lady with the pet chimp that attacked a visitor (Travis) . I don't blame the chimp, I blame the person who ignored the obvious warning signs and kept them as a pet

Obviously in this case it was a child who in no way can be held responsible. The parents though presumably knowingly broke the law to bring a dangerous dog into the house. The poor child I have sympathy for.

Thinking about a case nearer me...

There's an adult who has deliberately chosen a dog breed that looks aggressive, deliberately not taken the precautions required legally. There is evidence of cruelty eg ear cropping which is done at home in the UK without anesthetics, dog was poorly treated and snapped. There was a suggestion it had recently had an injury that wasn't treated

The dog didn't ask to be born, trained to be agressive then to be placed in a situation completely unsuitable for it, in pain and then had people almost deliberately winding it up and heaving it around

Yes I do agree that dogs which are aggressive and aren't suitable to live with people should be pts. I believe aggressive dogs are often stressed dogs and being in situations that constantly cause them stress is no quality of life, and that public safety comes first

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 04/11/2024 17:37

Errors · 04/11/2024 15:48

I love dogs but these things need to be culled. They’re too unpredictable. That poor girl whose parents made a stupid mistake against all advice to the contrary by keeping this animal.
My biggest worry is I will see one of these things out and about unmuzzled

I walked past a car the other day and heard a dog in it. Had a look to check the window was down. It was and it was an xl bully as well!

henlake7 · 04/11/2024 17:37

TBF there are no details released as yet just a report of 'mauling'. A dog that size only needs to bite a 10 yr old once, in the wrong place, to cause a death.

Thats part of what makes them so dangerous. They are not suitable pets for anybody with a young family, or built up areas. They are very unstable due to poor breeding in this country.
Any dog bred for fighting or protecting againest large predators is going to be a horrendous choice for a family pet. It worries me how popular Cane Corsos are now becoming as well.

fashionqueen0123 · 04/11/2024 17:38

I saw this at the weekend but it didn’t mention the dog breed. What a surprise.

Feelingathomenow · 04/11/2024 17:41

Xl bullies need to go. I’m the biggest animal lover and a vegan, but I wouldn’t want a lion living in a home either. It’s the kindest thing and safest thing

They have been bred for the very characteristics that make them so dangerous - bit like my Labrador used to be good at retrieving a ball and swimming.

KoalaCalledKevin · 04/11/2024 17:41

henlake7 · 04/11/2024 17:37

TBF there are no details released as yet just a report of 'mauling'. A dog that size only needs to bite a 10 yr old once, in the wrong place, to cause a death.

Thats part of what makes them so dangerous. They are not suitable pets for anybody with a young family, or built up areas. They are very unstable due to poor breeding in this country.
Any dog bred for fighting or protecting againest large predators is going to be a horrendous choice for a family pet. It worries me how popular Cane Corsos are now becoming as well.

The bbc have said they "understand it be an XL bully"

Winnie27101981 · 04/11/2024 17:41

Errors · 04/11/2024 15:48

I love dogs but these things need to be culled. They’re too unpredictable. That poor girl whose parents made a stupid mistake against all advice to the contrary by keeping this animal.
My biggest worry is I will see one of these things out and about unmuzzled

There was one at the vets a few weeks ago. It had been in for an op and when the vet brought it out to its owner the first thing the owner did was go to take off the muzzle it was wearing and the vet was very firm and said read her the riot! 100% when they left the owner would have taken that muzzle off!

Feelingathomenow · 04/11/2024 17:42

henlake7 · 04/11/2024 17:37

TBF there are no details released as yet just a report of 'mauling'. A dog that size only needs to bite a 10 yr old once, in the wrong place, to cause a death.

Thats part of what makes them so dangerous. They are not suitable pets for anybody with a young family, or built up areas. They are very unstable due to poor breeding in this country.
Any dog bred for fighting or protecting againest large predators is going to be a horrendous choice for a family pet. It worries me how popular Cane Corsos are now becoming as well.

Yes they will be the next XL bullies

WiddlinDiddlin · 04/11/2024 17:43

Someone asked about barking/growling and attacks.

Attack is a broad term and from the point of view of the victim, the motivation for the attack doesn't matter, they're at risk of injury whatever... but from a dog behaviour pov.. it does.

Predatory 'attacks' - this is where the dog intends to grab, kill and potentially consume.

This is very rare, and usually silent.

Defensive aggression - most aggression is based in fear and desiring whatever it is triggering that fear to go away. So you see lots of growling, possibly barking, teeth bared, potentially lunging to the end of the lead or at a fence (which means people think it isn't fear or defensive but dogs are very capable of bluffing and pretending to be confident in order to drive something scary away).

Frustration - looks v similar to above, sometimes theres a higher pitch to the barking, and growling is much less likely. Some frustrated dogs will be pretty much screaming.

Play - yup, dogs can and will growl, bark, and excitedly scream, in play. Some of the XL bully attacks I have seen on video appear to start in super highly aroused and frustrated play, typically grabbing at sleeves/arms, play bowing butt in the air, elbows down, leaping, and further excited and aroused by the victims movements and shouts/screams.

All of these can be deadly, depending on the size of the dog, their prior learning/experiences, and what happens next.

So a defensive dog if cornered, trapped, held on a tight lead, or in a tight space in a house may be pushed to actually bite if whatever they're scared of doesn't go away.

The frustrated dog behind a fence, if that fence breaks... they might immediately walk away OR they might grab at whatever the trigger is.

Predatory drift is a real thing - you can see a surprisingly accurate depiction of this in the animated film Madagascar, where Alex the lion is running with his friends... and starts to see lots of little steaks instead of friends. At some point the context and behaviour of others plus the hyper arousal of the dog mean they flip into predatory behaviour.

The dog playing, particularly one who has been taught to grab at sleeves, taught bite work by being hit with sticks and encouraged to grab a bite sleeve, could slip into predatory drift very easily and I do think at least one case involved this.

And then on top of all the normal natural behaviours, we have the human element. Where human training/handling has taught the dog to expect or fear certain responses, and so alters the dogs normal behaviour into something abnormal and much less predictable.

A common example is where people punish a dog for growling thinking that will fix the problem - of course the growling is just a symptom of an underlying problem, and the punishment stops the dog growling but doesn't address that underlying cause. So now you have a dog fearful of a particular trigger who cannot warn with a growl. Many dogs will leap straight to a bite, and often it won't be the person who trained the dog that gets that bite, it will be a child or a stranger.

Zanatdy · 04/11/2024 17:43

Perfectly possible they had a loving relationship and the dog had never shown aggression before, but I read they had no long acquired the dog so who knows. I am a massive dog lover and own a cockapoo. But I always say I don’t 100% trust my very friendly soft dog, because is a an animal. Many people miss those small signs of a dog being stressed and ignore warning signs. With an animal of that strength it can be as obedient as anything and turn in a second and nothing you can do to stop that. I would never own a bully breed, especially not a bully XL.

BodyHate78999 · 04/11/2024 17:45

All animals can snap. My softy cat will if she's startled/afraid/in pain. Difference is she's a cat and not something that can kill in 1 bite.

SabreIsMyFave · 04/11/2024 17:46

HeadacheEarthquake · 04/11/2024 15:40

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

Is this the same 10 year old from a few days ago?

As featured on this thread...

Another fatal dog attack | Mumsnet

Toastandbutterand · 04/11/2024 17:49

WiddlinDiddlin · 04/11/2024 17:43

Someone asked about barking/growling and attacks.

Attack is a broad term and from the point of view of the victim, the motivation for the attack doesn't matter, they're at risk of injury whatever... but from a dog behaviour pov.. it does.

Predatory 'attacks' - this is where the dog intends to grab, kill and potentially consume.

This is very rare, and usually silent.

Defensive aggression - most aggression is based in fear and desiring whatever it is triggering that fear to go away. So you see lots of growling, possibly barking, teeth bared, potentially lunging to the end of the lead or at a fence (which means people think it isn't fear or defensive but dogs are very capable of bluffing and pretending to be confident in order to drive something scary away).

Frustration - looks v similar to above, sometimes theres a higher pitch to the barking, and growling is much less likely. Some frustrated dogs will be pretty much screaming.

Play - yup, dogs can and will growl, bark, and excitedly scream, in play. Some of the XL bully attacks I have seen on video appear to start in super highly aroused and frustrated play, typically grabbing at sleeves/arms, play bowing butt in the air, elbows down, leaping, and further excited and aroused by the victims movements and shouts/screams.

All of these can be deadly, depending on the size of the dog, their prior learning/experiences, and what happens next.

So a defensive dog if cornered, trapped, held on a tight lead, or in a tight space in a house may be pushed to actually bite if whatever they're scared of doesn't go away.

The frustrated dog behind a fence, if that fence breaks... they might immediately walk away OR they might grab at whatever the trigger is.

Predatory drift is a real thing - you can see a surprisingly accurate depiction of this in the animated film Madagascar, where Alex the lion is running with his friends... and starts to see lots of little steaks instead of friends. At some point the context and behaviour of others plus the hyper arousal of the dog mean they flip into predatory behaviour.

The dog playing, particularly one who has been taught to grab at sleeves, taught bite work by being hit with sticks and encouraged to grab a bite sleeve, could slip into predatory drift very easily and I do think at least one case involved this.

And then on top of all the normal natural behaviours, we have the human element. Where human training/handling has taught the dog to expect or fear certain responses, and so alters the dogs normal behaviour into something abnormal and much less predictable.

A common example is where people punish a dog for growling thinking that will fix the problem - of course the growling is just a symptom of an underlying problem, and the punishment stops the dog growling but doesn't address that underlying cause. So now you have a dog fearful of a particular trigger who cannot warn with a growl. Many dogs will leap straight to a bite, and often it won't be the person who trained the dog that gets that bite, it will be a child or a stranger.

Christ alive! Thanks for that info!

Their dog is silent. I'll be much more wary.

HeadacheEarthquake · 04/11/2024 17:50

SabreIsMyFave · 04/11/2024 17:46

Is this the same 10 year old from a few days ago?

As featured on this thread...

Another fatal dog attack | Mumsnet

Edited

Unless there's another 10 year old girl in Malton that's been killed by a dog I would imagine so.

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Lovemusic82 · 04/11/2024 17:52

For those saying there should be a cull….it won’t happen. It is now illegal to breed, sell or rehome XL bullies, this means in the next 10-12 years there will be none in the UK. Yes there will be more deaths but it’s down to owners if they want to have these dogs around their kids and they should be prosecuted if their dog attacks. There are loads of XL bullies, most are fine. There will always be dog attacks the same as there will always be people killed by cars. Culling one breed won’t change anything, another breed will replace it.

HRTQueen · 04/11/2024 17:55

Lovemusic82 · 04/11/2024 17:52

For those saying there should be a cull….it won’t happen. It is now illegal to breed, sell or rehome XL bullies, this means in the next 10-12 years there will be none in the UK. Yes there will be more deaths but it’s down to owners if they want to have these dogs around their kids and they should be prosecuted if their dog attacks. There are loads of XL bullies, most are fine. There will always be dog attacks the same as there will always be people killed by cars. Culling one breed won’t change anything, another breed will replace it.

Of course culling will change something

there will be less of these dogs about so less children will die if we leave it how many more will die in the next 10 or so years

we know it will be replaced by another breed and we just have to do the same again

ACynicalDad · 04/11/2024 17:56

All muscle dogs should be neutered, the biggest should be culled. There is no need for them and they are too great a risk.

Goldengamer · 04/11/2024 17:58

It’s not always the case but a lot of the so called owners don’t have a brain cell between them . About a year ago I was at work in a supermarket and a young girl with a very young baby in a pram asked me advice about dog food. She wanted something cheap as she was on benefits . After chatting to her as I have a dog and know a bit about the food , she tells me she’s bought an XL bully off a friend . She was a slightly built small girl , certainly not strong enough to control one of these dogs . She had a couple of young children with her as well as the baby . No partner . She went off with a huge bag of bakers .I was literally gobsmaked . There was nothing I could say , she was so happy about getting this dog.

BreatheAndFocus · 04/11/2024 17:59

Lovemusic82 · 04/11/2024 17:52

For those saying there should be a cull….it won’t happen. It is now illegal to breed, sell or rehome XL bullies, this means in the next 10-12 years there will be none in the UK. Yes there will be more deaths but it’s down to owners if they want to have these dogs around their kids and they should be prosecuted if their dog attacks. There are loads of XL bullies, most are fine. There will always be dog attacks the same as there will always be people killed by cars. Culling one breed won’t change anything, another breed will replace it.

That’s why some dogs should never be permitted as pets. Have an official list of approved breeds and crosses - and that’s it. The Canó Corso and similar dogs wouldn’t be on the approved list. How many spaniels have killed people?

New breeds wouldn’t be allowed until they’d been approved and added to the list. It makes it a lot easier than banning breeds one by one: ban everything except the dogs on the Approved Pets list.

Itstakingtoolong · 04/11/2024 18:00

HRTQueen · 04/11/2024 17:55

Of course culling will change something

there will be less of these dogs about so less children will die if we leave it how many more will die in the next 10 or so years

we know it will be replaced by another breed and we just have to do the same again

And the added worry will be these elderly XL bullies will they be more likely to snap and kill due to health issues ?

ItsAllFake · 04/11/2024 18:02

I have friends who have an XL. They obey all the rules etc and train her. They are expecting a baby soon and they seem to be completely delusional about the impact this baby will have on this kind of dog. The dog is ok, very very over excitable. Jumps up etc. very very powerful. They adore her and say they train her etc and will keep her separate to baby. In the next breath they say she breaks through any baby gates they put up.

People can be really stupid when it comes to their dogs. No way in hell would I have that dog near a baby.

Relearningbehaviour · 04/11/2024 18:03

Has there been a sudden rise in attacks. Or is having an XL bully a newer thing and that's why we are hearing so much of them?

HeadacheEarthquake · 04/11/2024 18:05

Relearningbehaviour · 04/11/2024 18:03

Has there been a sudden rise in attacks. Or is having an XL bully a newer thing and that's why we are hearing so much of them?

I think the shock is that they're banned and we've still had 17 deaths this year, the ban has seemingly made it worse

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