"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

Thankyou, this is what I thought too.

I think the neighbour claiming it attacked just wants it gone, which I understand, but it seems a bit of a crazy way to go about it!

The dog was in its own garden with a 6ft fence, so she must have reached over I think. You don't just randomly wave your arms about like that!

It does give me the creeps a bit knowing it's so close by though.

You wouldn’t have a wolf in your house for obvious reasons ...

Google it and you may be surprised, @Fairislesweater - though probably not by the appearance of the owners, which on the whole is utterly predictable

@WiddlinDiddlin That's a stock Alamy photo.

I think on another thread someone said pepper spray or similar might help.

Not legal in the UK - it's a prohibited offensive weapon.

I'm not sure you could legally carry anything that would realistically be able to stop one of these things if it was attacking.

The type that owns or defends these animals are the first to launch racist attacks when kids are killed by humans. ( as in Southport). Idiots.

Does anyone know what the rules are in this scenario... Some new people have moved in close to my DP. In order for my DP to get to his house he has to drive across the new people's land (right of way). At the moment their XL bully is unmuzzled off leash and free to roam across this area of land. Luckily DP doesn't really have to get out of his car except to open his gate, but we are now scared to walk down the lane. If it's their land are they free to do as they please with the dog?

Report the person then and don't just sit and wait for something bad to happen

I remember a time when people used to be able to buy lion cubs and keep them at home. If you lived in that sort of area you could see people walking young lions on leads - they even used to have them on Blue Peter! And yes, they were adorable until they got to a certain age, when they became adult and unpredictable.

Nowadays nobody would dream of keeping a lion in their house (well, nobody outside rock stars and the ultra rich, that is). We need to start treating these dogs like that - something that's just so 'out there' to own that nobody would even think about getting one. Because there's not a lot to choose between an XL Bully and a lion - when they go, they go and there's no stopping them.

I regrettably saw a video of an XL bully attack on a woman (only the first 5 seconds of it)

And children just don't stand a chance, actually I don't think adults do either.

It's horrendous and I love dogs but these are monsters.

Only problem is they're always working on new similar breeds, as fast as you ban one another pops up

That’s why I’d like an approved list of breeds and crosses that you can own as a pet, along with a licence. For larger/fiercer/guard breeds, you’d need a special licence, training and rules about muzzling and keeping on a lead.

No, not if there is a right of way. By having an unmuzzled, potentially dangerous dog, they are prohibiting fair access.

I love dogs, I have dogs and I even rescued dogs from dreadful situations; but even I believe a cull would be the kindest thing for these dogs and their owners. O definitely wouldn't give one of these a home!
XL bullies have a genetic defect that makes them turn and attack anything moving in their vicinity. Sadly that's often people including their owners and children.

They're required by law to keep it in secure conditions that stop it escaping. Is the land secure?

It needs to be on a lead and muzzled in public - "that is a place which members of the public have access to without the invitation of the person occupying the property". This might cover the right of way access.

I doubt the owners will care though.

Well as we all know, it's the owners and not the dogs, right?

So these parents have raised a dangerous dog who killed & should be prosecuted, surely? That's the logic that all these pro-XL people apply.

The little girls screams and terror will haunt the parents for the rest of their lives.

I do so hope they have not a moment's peace again.

Plus a custodial sentence fitting for causing the death of their daughter.

I have zero sympathy for them, in fact I am filled with nothing but contempt for their unmitigated fecklessness and failure to fulfill a basic duty of care to their poor dd.

Just how many more children will be slaughtered by these beasts and useless fucking adult choices.

What would happen if he left the gate open? Surely keeping the dog secure is their responsibility and legal requirement. It doesn't sound like they are meeting the license conditions.

I’ve considered carrying a little mini hairspray. Not sure how much good it would do

There doesn't seem to be a great deal of sympathy for the victims in these cases, and every sympathy for the dog - even by the authorities. I find it very strange.

I'm finding it hard to have much sympathy for people like this. Poor child. Time the stupid dog mania died down, the fecking things are everywhere, untrained and unrestrained, and people are being maimed and killed by them so often it's not really news anymore. Thought this particular vile breed was now banned?

p2 of the thread – I already did

No - enough now! I have no sympathy whatsoever with the family - they should be prosecuted. These dogs are dangerous …. everyone knows they are dangerous ….. there is ample evidence that they are danger and still there are hordes of people who arrogant enough to ignore all of that until they or even worse their children are mauled to death by them. I’m fed up of “it’s not the dog, it’s the owner” . It both and there is no excuse

To be fair as I typed this I thought I bet some muppets do

No idea why you’d take the risk with your children. I feel for the parents but ultimately their stupidity killed their daughter. They have to live with that now.

The neighbours that own the dog near me are social workers! Very very lovely people.

Apparently it went for me once, but as I say, it's always on a lead and muzzled. I thought it was coming in for some cuddles.

That's why I asked if they growled or barked, because it didn't make a sound. I don't know dogs, apart from sheepdogs, so I was confused.
Perhaps the owners are just overly cautious. They never let their dog near anyone.

They just claim it arrived like that/its a rescue.

Tail docking is legal (er, not scotland I think) in England and Wales if the dog is one of a short list of breeds that may be used for gundog or pest control. The owner/breeder would have to have a particular form of proof that the puppy would be or would likely be a working dog, and the dock done by a vet.

So this accounts for the terriers and spaniels. However not the Dobermans, Rotties, Giant Schnauzers etc.

Ear Cropping has been outlawed/illegal in the UK for around 200 years though the proper legislation was only tightened up relatively recently.

However you can still legally import an ear cropped dog, something that was going to be sorted with a ban, that the Tories threw out with the rest of the revised Kept Animals bill a few years back.

Because you can circumvent the rules by importing or by claiming you imported... people are getting away with illegal cropping in the UK.

It is disgusting, often done with scissors on a kitchen table and leaves puppies in agony for weeks or months as it heals (as anyone who has ever torn or injured ear cartilage will know... it can hurt for YEARS). This is particularly bad when you consider that ongoing acute pain around their heads coincides with their early socialisation/habituation window, in the first months of their lives!