"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

I think on another thread someone said pepper spray or similar might help.

But the chances of having some handy and being able to use it whilst arm being mauled...possibly slim.

More than one a day. There's a facebook group that tries to keep on top of the attacks, most of which aren't reported in MSM.

https://www.facebook.com/@pitbullattacksandnannydogs/

It is long overdue that all bully breeds be PTS, and I would gladly be up for the task of identifying which ones need to be culled. I don't care if I am overzealous with the pink juice if it means no more people die by dog mauling. Such a horrendous way to die. And those are just the deaths - there will be thousands upon thousands of lives altered with catastrophic injuries, such as scalping, ears, noses and faces ripped off, limbs shredded.

Does anyone know if they loudly growl/bark when they attack?

One of my neighbours has one, always muzzled and on a lead. I'm very wary of it, but the neighbour has complied with all the laws, gone above and beyond. They adopted it from a shelter before the ban.

Another neighbour swears it attacked her, but she's only got a tiny scratch and when she started screaming the dog had attacked her it was in its garden and was just sat there.
Wouldn't it it still have been barking or something?

Sorry to derail, I know nothing about dogs!

I just don’t understand why you’d choose to put your children in the way of harm in the form of a dog who can out power most adults.

I love dogs. I have too many bloody dogs but would I own one that could out power me? No because that’s fucking stupid.

There needs to be a cull.

I don't mean to laugh but this is ludicrous

Have a look at pets 4 homes and the breeding standards on there. There's so many breaking current laws eg Lucy's law.

How would you stop people?

One possibility for dealing with the new breeds issue would be, to go along with compulsory registration, also require compulsory third-party insurance, to pay out compensation for any injuries caused.

One would assume that such insurance would be a lot cheaper for a labrador, than for a new cross breed based on rottweilers or whatever. No insurance, then the dog is seized and culled if insurance not bought within 7 days.

I'd imagine insurers would offer a discount if there was evidence that the dog was well-trained, so that might also encourage people to train their dogs properly.

I don't think it's just the stereotypical thuggish owner with an unregistered dog used to intimidate or even attack others. It's the blinkered, loving owners that think the law doesn't apply to their special fur baby.

There is a woman near where I grew up who rescues dogs, keeps them well lots of exercise, 4 huskies/akitas of her own all immaculately trained. Someone dumped a puppy at her door clearly a bull breed cross, she's had tried everything thinks it's now about 6-9 months and has started going for her dogs. This is someone who lives and breaths difficult dogs, she gets them healthy, trained and rehomed. She thinks it's an XL cross now by the pace it's growing. She's now in a position where she thinks she's going to have to put it down which is against everything she stands for, but she told me she can't in all good conscience re-home it and if she and her husband can't manage it there's no other choice. It's cost her a fortune because some irresponsible person just dumped it on her doorstep

ETA while she runs her own dogs on long lead or none across field/woodlands (miles every day she knows how much those breeds need exercise) her husband walks the abandoned one, fully muzzled because already she struggles to hold it and she's super fit.

I thought exactly the same when I read the news story. I am an animal lover but I would welcome an XL bully cull.

There is a known genetic line of them that are predisposed to psychotic rage, that can be traced back to one sire. Guess what, most XL bullies have some of him in their bloodlines. They're fine - sometimes for years - until they aren't.

There are places where I no longer walk my dogs because I've seen people walking their XLs there off the lead no muzzle. I don't want to be in the same park as an off lead unmuzzled one, and I think anybody who does is absolutely fucking insane.

How would you know if a dog is insured though?

Lots of dogs live off grid without official records. If we can't manage to enforce microchips how would you enforce insurance?

The worry is that people would stop seeking vet care. There are already horrendous things going on with people doing cruel things to avoid vet fees (I've seen people cutting of cysts etc). Dogs stuck at home, not being walked and in pain would be very high risk for aggression

The way the dogs are assessed is mainly measurements I think.
So many dogs fitting the 'type' that are pure breed have also had to register their dogs and follow the same guidelines. They are not checked via DNA and a cull could/would lead to non XLs being euthanised too. Not sure how that would work.
I'm definitely not advocating for XLs, the amount of attacks and deaths is far beyond crazy and there needs to be a solution.
The type of person to rehome a banned breed is usually a fuckwit or a clueless wonder.
This child's parents failed her on every level 😔

It just seems crazy to me. Why would you own one? You wouldn’t have a wolf in your house for obvious reasons, so where’s the line? And yes I’m aware dogs are domesticated while wolves are wild but how domesticated is a dog breed that attacks this often, really?

Yes sure. Making murder illegal doesn’t stop murders which is what you’re saying.

But I can bring justice.

It would mean the parents of this little girl could be sent to jail for life and that is a big difference. It takes the onus from the gov to prove which dog is which and say look this is your responsibility. If anything happens then we will look. And if we decide it’s an XL bully then you’re going to jail.

Set up a hotline maybe so members of the public can report if they see them out and about*

This facility already exists, @Errors
Apparently over 2500 such dogs have already been reported, but how many have been culled - or even subject to any sort of action - I couldn't say

crimestoppers-uk.org/news-campaigns/news/2024/aug/crimestoppers-xl-bully-ban-report-figures

It's a complete lack of understanding of, and care about the concept of risk, and of critical thinking generally... along with poverty (both material poverty, and poverty of aspiration) and of being able to 'buy in' to being a 'someone' where the barriers to entry are low.

1. Will my XL Bully attack someone?

We don't know, maybe.

1. If my XL Bully attacked someone, what would the consequences be? Again, we don't know, but highly likely to be catastrophic or fatal.

A lot of people can't conceive of both 1. AND 2. at the same time, or they don't even consider 2.

And people don't really understand the concept of death being the end. I'm sure they think... It's only a nip... It couldn't happen to me/my kid... I'd call an ambulance. They don't realise that death is potentially terrifying, grisly, quick and final.

See also: people who ride unregistered trail motorbikes like maniacs on the roads and other places they shouldn't be.

I feel very sorry for the girl and her extended family. As for the parents, I thought child sacrifice went out some time ago but apparently not.

agree... I also see people out with dogs with docked tails and cropped ears. I thought these are banned but I see so many out there, people are getting around law.

I honestly don't know how she's got them
I know her to have a chat with but I've never seen her outside of work

I agree,ss should step in-they won't but they should

It's like handing each child a ticking bomb

Sometimes they might snarl and bark before attacking, but in all honesty once one is attacking it's mouth and mind are otherwise occupied.

I'd be AMAZED if somebody attacked by an XL walked away from the encounter with a small scratch and the dog just sat serenely afterwards. Part of the problem with these dogs is that they do not stop an attack for love nor money, and they are insanely strong. It would not have been calm and have gone back nicely to it's own garden like a meek little good dog.

Sounds like the dog might have tried to play or mouth at her hand or something. If it was in it's garden I wonder if she was stupid enough to put her hand over the fence and got away VERY lightly with a warning.

I'm a dog lover but there is absolutely no reason for these dogs to be in any domestic homes or for anyone to own one. There are plenty of family friendly dog breeds out there. There's a brute of one in a nearby town laughingly called 'Baby', snarling and barking whenever anyone walks past.

I'd say it's more similar to drink driving. I know lots of people who drive over the limit, they aren't overly worried about the death by dangerous driving penalties because they are convinced it won't happen to them. It's arrogance

They do worry about being randomly breathalysed, but again I live in area where a huge chunk of people drive without licences anyway

Of course there should be a cull and this should have happened already

the parents put their child at risk there has to be further consequences

unfortunately some people are very stupid and think these dogs are safe to have as pets and once again it has been proved they are not

and of course another dog will come along that is just ot more dangerous and we shall have to repeat the cull because all know what will happen

This is very well put. I own a sight hound. Were I to answer these questions, the answers would actually be the same. He is a large dog, and like any dog he could turn. However by his nature and breeding the risk of him attacking is highly unlikely. The consequences would potentially be lesser given his anatomy. But he’s still a dog and I am aware that I need to control and train him. I would never leave him alone with a small child. The issue IMO with XL bullies is the nature and anatomy of the dogs coupled with the ignorance of owners who think their dog would never act like a dog.

I wouldn't want to underestimate the difficulty. You can see with the number of cars without insurance, or driving on cloned plates, that enforcement of such systems is difficult, if a lot of people don't comply.

But difficult isn't the same as impossible. Society in Britain has done pretty well at getting rid of guns, and so Britain has a very low rate of gun deaths. I think that, over time, the same could be true for these sorts of dogs.

Northwest!

And unfortunately it does seem to be very common :( There is definitely some weird ego thing involved in both the off-lead walking and having the things in the first place