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"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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HeadacheEarthquake · 04/11/2024 15:40

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

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ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 13:29

Wordau · 05/11/2024 13:25

Agree agree agree

My child walks through a park on the way to school and I'm increasingly worried about the dogs they may encounter.

Same. My teen has to walk to school, and we have a woman with a large pitbull AND a doberman living in the block of flats opposite. She walks them separately, but there is no way she could hold either back should it decide to attack. My children are now hyper vigilant whenever they walk anywhere, and know to look for escape places (like a tree to climb) should one of these dogs try to get them.

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 13:32

Fizbosshoes · 05/11/2024 13:15

Almost all attacks even well before the ban were inside homes or on private property.

I remember about 10 years ago a tiny girl (maybe 4 or 5) was attacked and killed by a dog while she lay in bed, because she was off school, ill. If she's lying in bed I doubt she was antagonising the dog or posing any sort of threat. Iirc the mother had got the dog from a rescue a few weeks before, and apprehended it by stabbing it (but too late to save the girl)
A few years ago a young boy (maybe 10 or 11) was attacked and killed in a caravan.
Even the latest fatality mentioned in this thread, is inside the home so potentially all the requirements regarding owning the XL dog might have been met, but it doesn't stop them having the nature to attack and kill.

You are thinking about Jack Lis. Poor child.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/officers-who-found-mauled-10-28987218

Officers who found mauled 10-year-old boy haunted by dog attack

'Not a day really that’s gone by where I haven’t thought about that incident'

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/officers-who-found-mauled-10-28987218

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/11/2024 13:35

BecauseRonald · 04/11/2024 16:57

I don't think it's just the stereotypical thuggish owner with an unregistered dog used to intimidate or even attack others. It's the blinkered, loving owners that think the law doesn't apply to their special fur baby.

🎯 Yep.

Astrabees · 05/11/2024 13:37

There should be no pit bulls in the UK now, they were banned many years ago and breeding prohibited. If you see one you should report it, though I suspect you may be mistaken about the breed.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/11/2024 13:39

My neighbour across the road has an American Bully, in a wee flat, with him, his gf, their 7 year old son, and 4 cats.
God forbid the worst never happens.

I never see it being walked.
Don't they need a lot of exercise?

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 13:42

Astrabees · 05/11/2024 13:37

There should be no pit bulls in the UK now, they were banned many years ago and breeding prohibited. If you see one you should report it, though I suspect you may be mistaken about the breed.

People have been flouting this stupid 1991 law since it came in, and calling their pitbull a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (or a "Staffy", in an attempt to make it sound less like a pitBULL Terrier and more fluffy and cutesie). Or it's a bully-cross, or a something or other mix.

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 13:42

Given all this talk about the rising incidents of bully dog attacks on owners & general public it's no wonder people are seriously trying to protect themselves. According to what I've read nothing will stop them until the victim is dead. Am I wrong to have thought about carrying a kitchen flame torch used for creme brulee or would this again make no difference. There are a few of this breed left to run free on my local beach & it's scary walking past them. I am never cruel to animals but if it's a bully or my child it's getting torched.

Schnauzersaremyheros · 05/11/2024 13:44

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 13:14

I don't, and haven't in all the 30+ years I've been vegan, luckily, but if I needed to "where necessary", of course I would, and as I am getting older, I do expect that time to come, sooner or later. That's acceptable by the Vegan Society, and by me. We aren't expected to die for this cause!
I don't intend to derail this thread further on this topic, was merely replying to the dog bollocks "vegan" who was spouting shite.

I guess you don't like being thought of hypocritical either, lol!

Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 13:59

BirthdayRainbow · 04/11/2024 19:06

Stupid comment.

It's not a stupid comment. Horses - and cows - are mostly more dangerous than dogs and cause more injuries. A great many accidents/incidents with dogs are because of the utter stupidity of their owners. Not so with horses and cows. 😠

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/11/2024 14:00

@oakleaffy

It's funny you should mention The Dog Whisperer!

The story is probably a load of old arse, factually, mind you.

people.com/pets/cesar-millan-denies-accusations-that-his-pit-bull-attacked-a-gymnast-and-killed-queen-latifahs-dog/

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 14:00

Schnauzersaremyheros · 05/11/2024 13:44

I guess you don't like being thought of hypocritical either, lol!

I am not having animals killed to feed my dog. That's you.

That is completely different to taking a medicine that may have once been tested on animals, as is required by law. Which I am not doing anyway, and maybe never will. But to save my life, of course I would.

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 14:02

Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 13:59

It's not a stupid comment. Horses - and cows - are mostly more dangerous than dogs and cause more injuries. A great many accidents/incidents with dogs are because of the utter stupidity of their owners. Not so with horses and cows. 😠

Horses & cows are not left free to run in parks where there are children. Also untethered & not muzzled in the streets. There is no comparison.

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 14:04

Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 13:59

It's not a stupid comment. Horses - and cows - are mostly more dangerous than dogs and cause more injuries. A great many accidents/incidents with dogs are because of the utter stupidity of their owners. Not so with horses and cows. 😠

When I expose my children to a field of rampaging horses and cows, it will be because I have chosen to put myself, or them, in that situation. In case you can't tell, my children and I are never around cows or horses, and I would not put them in that situation.
We have no escape from the murder dogs roaming our streets. The stupidity of their owners is a stupidity forced upon the rest of us. If you choose to walk through a farmer's field, or to ride a horse, you take your own risks.

And yes, it is a stupid comment. Horse attacks do not negate the need for society to urgently address the dangerous dog problem.

I am for banning horse-riding too, and also, not breeding cows.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/11/2024 14:07

Grammarnut · 04/11/2024 18:49

To put this in perspective more people are killed or maimed by horses than dogs in the UK.

Here we go!

Mumofnarnia · 05/11/2024 14:08

Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 13:59

It's not a stupid comment. Horses - and cows - are mostly more dangerous than dogs and cause more injuries. A great many accidents/incidents with dogs are because of the utter stupidity of their owners. Not so with horses and cows. 😠

Oh fgs are you still spouting that shit to try and minimise the danger of an XL bully!

Horses and cows do not have killer instincts and certainly aren’t left to roam the streets/ parks to attack innocent people. Get a grip because your comments are boring and the animals do not compare

Schnauzersaremyheros · 05/11/2024 14:16

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 14:00

I am not having animals killed to feed my dog. That's you.

That is completely different to taking a medicine that may have once been tested on animals, as is required by law. Which I am not doing anyway, and maybe never will. But to save my life, of course I would.

I am putting my dog first, and as she can't tell me she wants to be a vegan, I am not going to make that decision for her. Just like I would not enforce a vegan diet on a child. To do that, is unethical.

Huhreally · 05/11/2024 14:21

Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 13:59

It's not a stupid comment. Horses - and cows - are mostly more dangerous than dogs and cause more injuries. A great many accidents/incidents with dogs are because of the utter stupidity of their owners. Not so with horses and cows. 😠

It is an utterly stupid irrelevant comment.

These dogs shouldn't exist.

They are all more or less Pitbulls because sadly and unsurprisingly, when Pitbulls were banned back in 1990, they didn't just disappear. They continued to be bred from illegally and crossed with mixed bull breeds and eventually descendants were simply referred to by another name. Hence XL bullies or bully mix etc etc.

The problem which shouldn't need pointing out to you is that these dogs are unnecessary as they are not livestock and this type of dog poses a significant risk to the public.

Cattle pose a risk to the public but they are livestock and therefore not in the same category as pets. A bit like how power lines cause a risk to the public. Comparing deaths attributed to cattle vs dogs is like comparing deaths from car crashes vs deaths from recreational drugs. Pointless and irrelevant.

Do you honestly think horses are posing as much risk to the public as these dogs do? Honestly? That's total bollocks. Horse RIDING is a risky activity for the rider, of course it is but injury from horses and riding can hardly be compared to a child having it's throat ripped out by an XL bully.

Trust me, your comment is utterly stupid but the rest of us know, stupid is as stupid does and anyone stupid enough to bring one of these dogs into their home, particularly with children deserves all the misery they get. The child however did not. And neither do the public.

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 14:23

BelgianBiscuit · 05/11/2024 11:07

I'm slightly concerned that TheDogsBalls dog 'won't tolerate' a muzzle and whatever his reaction to it was meant they gave up with the idea.

I hope multiple different types, styles and sizes of muzzle were tried. And hours making positive associations with it. I hope it's not a case of dog snapping/ growling and the owner too scared to push.

Absolutely right.
I had to train a Whippet and Lurcher to accept a muzzle ( easy)
Currently getting a Whippet used to nail grinders - bought them a week ago and she hasn’t had them on her nails yet- but associates the sound with high value treats.

The grinder can now get near her feet ( millimetres away) as she associates the buzzing with beef paste and cheese.

She was quicked by clippers so became fearful of clippers- but we are de sensitising with those, too.

Any dog should happily accept a muzzle if approached the right way.

(Eg not just strapping it on for a walk without slow POSITIVE introduction)

Astrabees · 05/11/2024 14:24

The statistics don’t back up the hysteria. 55,000 XLs are registered. Many of the attacks have been from unregistered dogs but however you look at it 10 or 20 deaths does not prove a danger is present with the 54,980 other dogs.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 05/11/2024 14:27

Astrabees · 05/11/2024 14:24

The statistics don’t back up the hysteria. 55,000 XLs are registered. Many of the attacks have been from unregistered dogs but however you look at it 10 or 20 deaths does not prove a danger is present with the 54,980 other dogs.

is that an acceptable number of deaths?

Mumofnarnia · 05/11/2024 14:29

Huhreally · 05/11/2024 14:21

It is an utterly stupid irrelevant comment.

These dogs shouldn't exist.

They are all more or less Pitbulls because sadly and unsurprisingly, when Pitbulls were banned back in 1990, they didn't just disappear. They continued to be bred from illegally and crossed with mixed bull breeds and eventually descendants were simply referred to by another name. Hence XL bullies or bully mix etc etc.

The problem which shouldn't need pointing out to you is that these dogs are unnecessary as they are not livestock and this type of dog poses a significant risk to the public.

Cattle pose a risk to the public but they are livestock and therefore not in the same category as pets. A bit like how power lines cause a risk to the public. Comparing deaths attributed to cattle vs dogs is like comparing deaths from car crashes vs deaths from recreational drugs. Pointless and irrelevant.

Do you honestly think horses are posing as much risk to the public as these dogs do? Honestly? That's total bollocks. Horse RIDING is a risky activity for the rider, of course it is but injury from horses and riding can hardly be compared to a child having it's throat ripped out by an XL bully.

Trust me, your comment is utterly stupid but the rest of us know, stupid is as stupid does and anyone stupid enough to bring one of these dogs into their home, particularly with children deserves all the misery they get. The child however did not. And neither do the public.

Edited

The problem is you can’t educate stupid! I replied to that poster yesterday, explained that horses are natural heard animals and their natural instinct is to run from danger. So a lot of people who get killed by horses is because they got spooked, not because they’re animals will killer instincts and will randomly go out of their way to attack and kill innocent people.

But here they are again 24 hours later still talking the same stupid shit! Strange how everyone else has replied to their comment and said how stupid it is yet that poster is STILL here trying to defend their comment 🤣

MintsPi · 05/11/2024 14:41

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 13:42

Given all this talk about the rising incidents of bully dog attacks on owners & general public it's no wonder people are seriously trying to protect themselves. According to what I've read nothing will stop them until the victim is dead. Am I wrong to have thought about carrying a kitchen flame torch used for creme brulee or would this again make no difference. There are a few of this breed left to run free on my local beach & it's scary walking past them. I am never cruel to animals but if it's a bully or my child it's getting torched.

Edited

Sadly it appears choking the dog with it's collar somehow or slitting it's throat seem the only viable way to stopping one and that is if you can get close enough.

I have never watched the Ian Price video but I have read a post where somebody had and they described that at one point he seemed resigned to his fate and stopped trying to fight as the dogs just couldn't be stopped. Unfortunately if you are attacked like poor Mr Price there seems very little chance you could survive.

Personally I try to avoid areas where dogs are walked off lead and large open areas. I stick to residential areas and I look ahead at every road I enter to be aware. I have told my daughter to do the same and if you see one of these dogs unmuzzled to do whatever you can to get away - get on a bus, go into a shop, knock on a strangers door even.

EasternStandard · 05/11/2024 14:42

Astrabees · 05/11/2024 14:24

The statistics don’t back up the hysteria. 55,000 XLs are registered. Many of the attacks have been from unregistered dogs but however you look at it 10 or 20 deaths does not prove a danger is present with the 54,980 other dogs.

If you could limit the risk to you and no one else go for it

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 15:04

A dunderhead’s choice of antisocial dog shouldn’t impact the rest of society.

Ian Price - no way could I watch that video of an innocent man being killed by a dunderhead’s dog of choice.

There have been owners killed- That’s on THEM.
Their choice.

But the rest of society shouldn’t be put at risk.

EasternStandard · 05/11/2024 15:08

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 15:04

A dunderhead’s choice of antisocial dog shouldn’t impact the rest of society.

Ian Price - no way could I watch that video of an innocent man being killed by a dunderhead’s dog of choice.

There have been owners killed- That’s on THEM.
Their choice.

But the rest of society shouldn’t be put at risk.

I agree, I haven't watched the poor man in the video either, Ian Price

But if people are going to use arguments eg cows and horses some are clearly wedded to the animal

It sounds like a horrific way to die but if those people are convinced it is 'sweet' or 'lovely' they should bear the entire risk.

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