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"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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HeadacheEarthquake · 04/11/2024 15:40

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

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Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 08:42

Onlythistime · 04/11/2024 18:51

What a bloody idiotic comment, horses don't turn on and kill children or hadn't you noticed?

I had. But it's a statistic that never gets published. People get very upset about dog attacks because dogs are more frequently owned, but dogs are not the main source of animal attacks/accidents/misadventure in the UK. My late DH was never attacked by any of his dogs. He was disabled enough to give up most physical work by an attack by one of his cows.

Grammarnut · 05/11/2024 08:47

DinosaurMunch · 04/11/2024 20:18

I don't think that's true. Lots of dogs never bite anyone despite not having much if any training. Other dogs bite despite being well trained.

Dogs will bite if afraid or challenged, that is to a large extent nothing to do with training, although it can be made worse by living in an environment with lots of unpredictable challenges or if their warning signals are ignored or punished, the threshold at which they bite is mostly inherent.

You can tell by whatever happens to be the trendy breed at the time. When I was young it was German shepherds and rottweilers - both can be pretty scary but generally shepherds are good for their owners. Rotties not so much or maybe just owned by stupider people. When it was staffies, there were very few problems because most staffies are friendly towards people (although not towards other dogs). Then it was huskies and Alaskan malamutes, more aggression problems but it wasn't terrible. Then XL bullies - suddenly loads of attacks.

I agree with all the points you make. But my point was whether you think your dog will bite or not it is unwise to leave a dog with a small child totally unsupervised - it's a rule of thumb, I guess, that avoids trouble.

Victoriancat · 05/11/2024 08:49

I don't really like dogs anyway but I'm shit scared of most bullies. A member of my family has one, yes he's cute as heck on social media but he's obviously a big, powerful animal and I don't have my son go around their house.

EalingLucy · 05/11/2024 08:57

AutumnLeaves24 · 05/11/2024 08:32

@EalingLucy

i don't know why you'd say that, I don't.

but even if I did, so what? We don't need a load of threads on the same thing, people needing to be the OP.

jealous??? What a ridiculous thing to say?! Why would anyone be jealous of someone starting a thread? Any idiot can do it.

I’m pretty sure the thread-starter didn’t ‘need to be the OP’. There’s some class A projection going on there!

and… you do.

shittestusernameever · 05/11/2024 08:57

I have seen a tiktok account of a woman with 2 of these beasts. They're always in her fenced front garden unmuzzled and the fence is only waist height. It's a ticking time bomb it really is.

It pisses me off that the owners bring the animals to residential areas, I would be terrified living next to one. No fence would keep me safe, they can easily get through a normal fence.

Cull the lot, and cane corsos.

peanutbuttertoasty · 05/11/2024 09:02

@Expletive poodles were bred for hunting so not that surprising

Anonimouse12345 · 05/11/2024 09:02

Expletive · 05/11/2024 08:34

I wouldn’t underestimate poodles. I went out for a walk with a friend and his mum’s pretty poodle and the poodle ran off and killed a pheasant.

I suspect it was octogenarian pheasant because it was as tough as old boots when we ate it later. Even so, it wasn’t what we were expecting and out of character for the dog.

Poodles were originally bred to retrieve game birds and waterfowl hunting. Another perfect example of a breed reverting back to its traits with no prior training. Poodles were never bred to sit on people’s knees and look pretty, they are a dog with a purpose.

Luckily the vast majority of dogs are not bred to tear out the throats of bulls and their own species so when things do go wrong it’s not normally the end of the world!

bombastix · 05/11/2024 09:03

If they can’t be culled then I would change the law so it was very very expensive to keep them.

As for the parents in this case they should be prosecuted, probably for manslaughter.

SerafinasGoose · 05/11/2024 09:05

T4phage · 04/11/2024 23:42

Again, regarding that Instagram account. That dog is merely tolerating those around it. It's constantly looking into the distance and on alert or staring at the woman taking photos as if sizing her up. It's barely interacting with those little girls, just tolerating them for the time being. It doesn't show any emotion or connection. It seems to have a cold intelligence and would rather be somewhere else. I'm tempted to follow that account just to see how long the status quo lasts before it goes berserk.

That image - it comes up on the post upthread but not in the quoted version - is a red nosed pitbull. It's to be wondered whether they might be viewed as the dangerous animals they are were they given their correct name of pitbull cross. There is no such breed as an 'XL bully' - these are mutations and hideous ones at that.

I've no idea who could feel an affection for these liabilities, unless your dog of choice happens to be Cerberus. They're a danger to humans - adults as well as children - and other animals. No one can anticipate what might provoke an attack, but rapid movements are one possibility and children do move rapidly. Check the list of owners who have been killed by these canine terminators: some of them were known to have been experiencing seizures.

Given the prolific reports of these incidents, anyone who wants one of these things around their home, much less around children, is an idiot. The anthropomorphic variety of dog-owner who insist their mutt is a 'softie' always think they'll somehow be different, that the reactivity and volatility bred into these dogs' very DNA will somehow elude them, and that of course 'it won't happen to me'.

Until it does.

BoudiccasBangles · 05/11/2024 09:06

SerafinasGoose · 05/11/2024 09:05

That image - it comes up on the post upthread but not in the quoted version - is a red nosed pitbull. It's to be wondered whether they might be viewed as the dangerous animals they are were they given their correct name of pitbull cross. There is no such breed as an 'XL bully' - these are mutations and hideous ones at that.

I've no idea who could feel an affection for these liabilities, unless your dog of choice happens to be Cerberus. They're a danger to humans - adults as well as children - and other animals. No one can anticipate what might provoke an attack, but rapid movements are one possibility and children do move rapidly. Check the list of owners who have been killed by these canine terminators: some of them were known to have been experiencing seizures.

Given the prolific reports of these incidents, anyone who wants one of these things around their home, much less around children, is an idiot. The anthropomorphic variety of dog-owner who insist their mutt is a 'softie' always think they'll somehow be different, that the reactivity and volatility bred into these dogs' very DNA will somehow elude them, and that of course 'it won't happen to me'.

Until it does.

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Cerberus 😂😂😂

edited to defeat autocorrect…

TheUsualChaos · 05/11/2024 09:15

Given the uproar the ban caused at the time, can only imagine the trouble a cull would cause. I think the government are just too scared to enforce it because of the backlash. I get the feeling the ban has made these dogs all the more desirable in certain circles. We need heavy penalties for having anything to do with XLs. Should be on the same levels as drug/gun/knife crime.

peanutbuttertoasty · 05/11/2024 09:18

TheUsualChaos · 05/11/2024 09:15

Given the uproar the ban caused at the time, can only imagine the trouble a cull would cause. I think the government are just too scared to enforce it because of the backlash. I get the feeling the ban has made these dogs all the more desirable in certain circles. We need heavy penalties for having anything to do with XLs. Should be on the same levels as drug/gun/knife crime.

Yes who cares if there’s uproar from these people? That’s like saying there’ll be uproar from banning zombie knives or wielding machetes in public. Antisocial behaviour should be stamped down on. The country’s gone feral!

HeadacheEarthquake · 05/11/2024 09:25

EalingLucy · 05/11/2024 00:20

what a bizarre comment too.

but @AutumnLeaves24 has form for that. Are they honestly jealous you started a thread lol

It's very bizarre. If I see one or two threads on the same thing, I don't think I would be bothered about marching on in there to tell the OP off 😏

Each to their own!

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TheUsualChaos · 05/11/2024 09:31

I'm not saying I don't think the government should enforce a cull. Of course they should! I'm saying they don't want the bother of it. How do you enforce it? The resources that would be involved in sending people in to seize them. The owners aren't going to be handing them over. How do you find all these dogs? People will hide them away. The government have turned a blind eye for years.
The number of people on these threads saying they see them unmuzzled and even off lead despite the ban just shows how useless their action on dog control is in the UK.

Babycatsarenice · 05/11/2024 09:34

Great glad you and your husband can handle your dog (so you think) what about small children that get exposed to these monsters in parks or homes? Not so lucky I guess oh well...

Jollofoldmaninaredsuit · 05/11/2024 09:34

It would be interesting to see if other countries are facing a similar dilemma. Have there been any mass culling of peoples pets before? I think it's a good idea but the trauma it would cause should not be understated.

IVFmumoftwo · 05/11/2024 09:39

Jollofoldmaninaredsuit · 05/11/2024 09:34

It would be interesting to see if other countries are facing a similar dilemma. Have there been any mass culling of peoples pets before? I think it's a good idea but the trauma it would cause should not be understated.

It is a big problem in America and Australia.

Jollofoldmaninaredsuit · 05/11/2024 09:40

@IVFmumoftwo America can't get their guns under control let alone their dogs.

Jifmicroliquid · 05/11/2024 09:43

I actually love XL bullies. I know a really gorgeous one and he’s a total darling.

I don’t believe there should be a cull of existing XL’s, but the breed needs to be allowed to die out after this generation. The problem is that their sheer strength and size, combined with obviously an inherent attack likelihood in some of them, makes it impossible to trust them.

Anyone who has one around children needs to think very carefully, regardless of how gorgeous their dog seemingly is. The size of their jaw and the strength of them means the victim rarely stands a chance.

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 09:57

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:34

@EalingLucy yes, unfortunately I do need to state that I've had the opportunity to be educated given the description of XL Bully owners on threads like these. We are all chavvy thiefs aren't we? Would that have made you feel better?

It's THIEVES. You didn't study English either time you went to "university", did you! What's your DH engineering - his own death by dangerous dog?

If you own anything close to resembling an XL Bully, you are indeed stupid.

TallulahBetty · 05/11/2024 09:59

Victoriancat · 05/11/2024 08:49

I don't really like dogs anyway but I'm shit scared of most bullies. A member of my family has one, yes he's cute as heck on social media but he's obviously a big, powerful animal and I don't have my son go around their house.

They're not even cute as heck. They are ugly, inside and out.

SpudleyLass · 05/11/2024 09:59

Jifmicroliquid · 05/11/2024 09:43

I actually love XL bullies. I know a really gorgeous one and he’s a total darling.

I don’t believe there should be a cull of existing XL’s, but the breed needs to be allowed to die out after this generation. The problem is that their sheer strength and size, combined with obviously an inherent attack likelihood in some of them, makes it impossible to trust them.

Anyone who has one around children needs to think very carefully, regardless of how gorgeous their dog seemingly is. The size of their jaw and the strength of them means the victim rarely stands a chance.

People don't give a flying lamppost about the ban now, so I don't think the breed will die out any time soon.

Imo, that's why there must needs be a cull.

No more children being killed. Not a single life more.

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 10:02

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:59

@echt then I hope you feel better knowing that I'm a man, a vegan man, who is very kind to animals. My DH is also a man, and so if our dog who has never shown an inch of aggression, does suddenly show aggression, we would be able to contain it and get him to the vets to be PTS. I'm not worried, you have no need to be either.

Vegan, really! What do you feed this beast of yours? Or rather, whom? I very much doubt you feed your shitbull a plant-based diet. Hypocrite vegans are worse than non-vegans.
I am vegan, and it is not vegan to feed dogs the body parts of other animals. You are directly responsible for the slaughter of thousands of other animals.

ScrambIed · 05/11/2024 10:05

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 01:30

@Ihopeithinkiknow

I apologise if I've missed something here. I'm outrageous that people would call for a cull on dogs, even though they wouldn't be able to identify their actual breed, because as I said, the government can't or didn't.

We all know what a shitbull is, XL or otherwise. You are being deliberately obtuse. And I would rather euthanise one that may not be (based solely on it being a cm or so off the height), if it saves the lives of innocent people.

TheUsualChaos · 05/11/2024 10:07

It's probably even worse in America. Laws on banned breeds vary state to state. Puppy farms are absolutely rife.

People who genuinely believe that it's all down to the owners just don't understand breeding. These dogs can just flip. The aggressive trait is simply part of them. The same as a collie has a natural instinct to herd even if it's never lived on a farm. Gundogs like to carry things even if they've never seen a pheasant. Terriers love to dig as they were bred to flush out prey. XL Bullies and other fighting breeds were bred to fight. No amount of good ownership and loving family environment can remove that potential to revert to what they were bred to do.