"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

Admirable & I'm sure you would have your bull breed muzzled in public. They may be wonderful pets to responsible owners but the fact is they are subject to the dangerous dogs act. If the rules are not adhered to & they cause serious injury the consequences are extremely serious.

But they aren't though are they? I don't disagree that penalties should be harsh, it's just that they aren't.

Any dog, in the right circumstances, will go for it.

In relation to mauling children, same thing. A dog does not do things for no reason, it's just that the bar might be set very low for a particular dog on a particular day. An XL, bred to kill, is different kettle of fish once it's started.

None of this excuses biting a human.

I love my dog. Do I trust him in all circumstances? Absolutely not.

Yeah, I'm not sure you understand the word patronise. I was just saying how it was for me, before the DEFRA measurements that were sent out.

Have you felt it? Have you spent many hours trying to safeguard your pet who has suddenly become potentially illegal?

Have you made sacrifices because your dog can not tolerate a muzzle? (Ours is extremely lucky that he had access to many acres - unmuzzled and untethered)

Unless you have, do not patronise.

@BreadInCaptivity what rules haven't I obeyed. Are you unable to read?

@Ihopeithinkiknow

I apologise if I've missed something here. I'm outrageous that people would call for a cull on dogs, even though they wouldn't be able to identify their actual breed, because as I said, the government can't or didn't.

I'm not even outrageous, I'm outraged 🤣

Doubt you would be able to ''contain it''.
like this man.

If you can't even train a Bull breed to accept a muzzle then something is very off in it's intelligence or your training.

Whippets and Greyhounds routinely wear muzzles and accept them for Lure coursing - Rescued Greyhounds when going in to new homes routinely are asked to wear one- there is no bleating and wailing from the owners, just good training and the dog soon forgets it is wearing a muzzle.

Strange how only Bully owners kick up a stink over muzzles- none of the sighthound people do.

Probably because of the dunderheaded ''you can't tell ME wot to do'' that seems to go hand in hand with Bull breed owners.

https://www.hershamhounds.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Greyhounds-and-Muzzles-October-2020.pdf

@TheDogsBalls can I ask how you tried to condition your dog to accept a muzzle?

Presumably he's being much more isolated from the world in secure fields. How is he being kept socialized?

And so said every man ever owning one of these killing machines when their daughter, girlfriend, wife, aunt, grandmother got attacked and died.

It’s just not about the size. It’s about the way they hang onto to the victim tearing it to bits until it’s dead. It’s very different grappling with a Labrador going for a cat and an XL bully trying to murder a human.

Theres very few breeds bred to ignore appeasement signals, bred to continue the job against its own self preservation instincts. Bred to give almost no signals or warning so as not to give the game away. Yet out of all of the breeds in the world people choose these to live with? Many of them are so uneducated they dont even know the background of what own. They spout nanny dog despite this being disproven a hundred times.

It’s even more scary that people don’t believe in genetics. Firstly owning a dog descended from human killers which traditionally would have been euthanised at the first sign of aggression is madness. Genetics exist, collies herd, retrievers retrieve and dogs bred to kill things want to kill things. Even if you own one and think it’s lovely to deny that is stupidity.

Also any dog that is unable to be muzzled by its own owner shouldn’t be allowed to be owned…don’t care what breed it is it’s basic training!!

It's bollocks isn't it. If a poodle killed a child, it would be reported.

That Irish lady had her arm ripped off by them when they killed her.

I'm pretty sure everyone who ends up discussed on these threads thought the same at some point

I doubt you can be certain. Just limit the risk to your household and not other people or their children

Interestingly I was thinking I had never before read a MN thread where everyone was in agreement until @TheDogsBalls showed up and did absolutely nothing to change our minds about these breeds OR their owners

Absolutely.

I can only hope those who believe that the power of bad genetics and a hair trigger aggression response can be defeated with the power of love are only endangering themselves.

Unfortunately that is unpredictable because these owners love to pretend they are sooo responsible, when anyone can easily see they haven't got a fucking clue.

I am curious why that poster is so confident they would be able to control that dog when several men have been killed by an XL bully. Surely they should have been able to get them to stop attacking then? 🤷

I think some people things it makes them seem tough, or brave?

I think the owners who come on and bleat about how their dog is the bestest boy, the softest lump, so well trained etc etc aren't being tough or brave - the tough XL bully owners are the ones hangingi around street corners dealing drugs and enjoying imtimidating people.

The people who think their dog is different from all the others of its type, well trained and perfectly under control are just stupid and deluded. Irrespective of how many times they've been at Uni.

I think it’s because they believe that past behaviour is a reliable indicator of future behaviour. They think because they’ve never acted aggressively before that they never will. Maybe for most dogs, it is a reliable indicator - not a perfect one, I grant you. The issue as far as I can see is that one of the defining characteristics of this breed is that they can snap and act completely ‘out of character’
not to mention that, unlike some other breeds, when they do snap the results are catastrophic.

If your pet spaniel is usually docile but something does wrong and they all of a sudden begin behaving aggressively, it’s very easily dealt with. Probably even fairly small children could defend themselves against one if they needed to. A grown adult male could (and has!) be brought down by an XL bully quite easily

Indeed, Labs are responsible for the most bites in the UK (owing to them being the most popular breed) but I don't remember the last time a Lab killed a person.

Dsis had an absolutely beautiful staffie, gorgeous temperament, KC registered, responsibly bred. She never bit anyone in her long and docile life. But would I have left my newborn daughter in a room with her? Not a chance. I don't dispute that it's often how a dog is raised that matters, but breed temperament and responsible breeding is a big factor, and I wouldn't trust a dog who is capable of biting and hanging on until its own death or the death of the animal/ person it's biting.

I love Labradors , each one I know is so docile , calm , loving 🥰 or when young a big daft goofball that can clear a coffee table of 1) food 2) all the coffee cups with one wag of the tail 😆
I don’t have a Labrador though , I have a non shedding type sassy terrier because of allergies

To be fair I think they said it wasnt an XL bully but fitted some of the criteria in the new rules.

Still whether they could overpower it if it attacked someone or another animal, is anyone's guess.

The problem with that is that unless you had successfully pulled off the same dog from an attack before ....how would you know? How would you ever be able to test your reactions, strength or ability to control it, unless you had had practice? (And why would you want to keep a dog capable of that?)

I saw an article once about a woman who had a dog who was 12st. I would imagine most adults would struggle to control it if it started to pull ot run, even if not aggressive.

@EalingLucy

i don't know why you'd say that, I don't.

but even if I did, so what? We don't need a load of threads on the same thing, people needing to be the OP.

jealous??? What a ridiculous thing to say?! Why would anyone be jealous of someone starting a thread? Any idiot can do it.

I wouldn’t underestimate poodles. I went out for a walk with a friend and his mum’s pretty poodle and the poodle ran off and killed a pheasant.

I suspect it was octogenarian pheasant because it was as tough as old boots when we ate it later. Even so, it wasn’t what we were expecting and out of character for the dog.