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HeadacheEarthquake · 2024-11-04T15:40:33+00:00

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/ When will people wake the fuck up

Babycatsarenice · 05/11/2024 00:21

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:09

To all the people calling for a cull, you need to wake up, I bet you can't even identify an XL bully, because the government couldn't - what they did was send out a bunch of measurements, and if your dog fit them you could choose to exempt and stick to the rules imposed. We did. Nobody is culling my dog, which might be an XL Bully or not. DNA tests are not admissable.

We rescued a 'staffy x' 3 years ago. When I took him to the vets after eventually gaining the right from his disgustingly, cruel abusive owner, I asked what she thought his breed was. She said she thought he was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier crossed with an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier. She identified him by her knowledge and his 'mascara'.

When the DEFRA measurements came out we chose to exempt him, and only because we wanted to safeguard him (he fit the height measurements). He was already chipped and neutered and so we only had to pay for liability insurance and he would need to be muzzled and tethered in public. Fortunately, we don't have to tether and muzzle him because we have available private fields for him to run and be free.

I've been to university twice and my DH is an engineer. We own our own business. We are not stupid or irresponsible. We've all been done over by the lax rules about dog ownership that the government(s) enforce or don't. This ban was meant to mean tough sentences for the people who decided to ignore the rules and it doesn't seem to be the case.

Whilst I'm a firm believer that it isn't breed and it is the way the dog is handled, I know many will disagree, but it doesn't negate the fact that people aren't being sentenced sufficiently for their our of control dogs, even though rules were put in place.

Nobody is going to cull my dog, and I'd unregister from the exemption, pay £££s and go to court if needed to prove he isn't a threat.

So you rescued a large powerful and potentially dangerous dog and don't know its history or genetics...have a Darwin award

BreadInCaptivity · 05/11/2024 00:23

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:09

To all the people calling for a cull, you need to wake up, I bet you can't even identify an XL bully, because the government couldn't - what they did was send out a bunch of measurements, and if your dog fit them you could choose to exempt and stick to the rules imposed. We did. Nobody is culling my dog, which might be an XL Bully or not. DNA tests are not admissable.

We rescued a 'staffy x' 3 years ago. When I took him to the vets after eventually gaining the right from his disgustingly, cruel abusive owner, I asked what she thought his breed was. She said she thought he was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier crossed with an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier. She identified him by her knowledge and his 'mascara'.

When the DEFRA measurements came out we chose to exempt him, and only because we wanted to safeguard him (he fit the height measurements). He was already chipped and neutered and so we only had to pay for liability insurance and he would need to be muzzled and tethered in public. Fortunately, we don't have to tether and muzzle him because we have available private fields for him to run and be free.

I've been to university twice and my DH is an engineer. We own our own business. We are not stupid or irresponsible. We've all been done over by the lax rules about dog ownership that the government(s) enforce or don't. This ban was meant to mean tough sentences for the people who decided to ignore the rules and it doesn't seem to be the case.

Whilst I'm a firm believer that it isn't breed and it is the way the dog is handled, I know many will disagree, but it doesn't negate the fact that people aren't being sentenced sufficiently for their our of control dogs, even though rules were put in place.

Nobody is going to cull my dog, and I'd unregister from the exemption, pay £££s and go to court if needed to prove he isn't a threat.

Why do you feel the need to own such a powerful dog?

Can you not see the irony in you refusing to obey any rules and others doing the same now?

The mantra "not the dog but the owner" is absolutely flawed.

Any dog can be unpredictable and aggressive in the right (or more aptly wrong) circumstances.

The difference with powerful breeds is the ability of the owner to physically manage the dog under such circumstances and the damage they can do in a very short space of time.

But then you already know this....

And your dog is different...

And you are better owners...

And you have a nice outside space so your dog doesn't need to be muzzled....

And your dog won't harm anyone...

ReggaetonLente · 05/11/2024 00:25

powotsits · 04/11/2024 15:52

There is an idiot near us who walks one off lead without a muzzle round the little residential streets near us – always full of children out playing

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Yep. One bloke round us walks his off lead, no muzzle, around 3pm every day next to my kids’ school. And lets it shit everywhere too. I hate him and his repulsive dog!

shittestusernameever · 05/11/2024 00:26

It's concerning, in fact it's terrifying.

An idiot is my brothers town had his house raided the other month and he was found to have a litter of XL pups and 2 more pregnant bitches.

This ban hasn't stopped anything, morons are still breeding these killing machines.

They need culling and if found with one you just be locked up for possession of dangerous weapon.

Seriously, Google how many people are still breeding these monsters

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 00:28

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:18

Consequences equal dog being confiscated and PTS, and prison/fines.

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I've just read a solicitors article which said the jail sentence for an unprovoked dog attack by an XL bully or any dog registered as dangerous without a muzzle can be up to 14 years. Surely that's enough to make owners comply with the rules.

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:31

@Babycatsarenice and @BreadInCaptivity clearly can't read.

Where did I say I rescued a powerful dog? He is 30kg. My last dog was also a rescue who was 52kg when we got him, we got him down to 40kg and he was a big dog. He was a Labrador.

Our current dog is certainly a bully breed - not necessarily a XL Bully, because they don't exist. We had no choice but to register for exemption - you might want to familiarise yourselves with the DEFRA measurements yeah.

EalingLucy · 05/11/2024 00:31

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:09

To all the people calling for a cull, you need to wake up, I bet you can't even identify an XL bully, because the government couldn't - what they did was send out a bunch of measurements, and if your dog fit them you could choose to exempt and stick to the rules imposed. We did. Nobody is culling my dog, which might be an XL Bully or not. DNA tests are not admissable.

We rescued a 'staffy x' 3 years ago. When I took him to the vets after eventually gaining the right from his disgustingly, cruel abusive owner, I asked what she thought his breed was. She said she thought he was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier crossed with an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier. She identified him by her knowledge and his 'mascara'.

When the DEFRA measurements came out we chose to exempt him, and only because we wanted to safeguard him (he fit the height measurements). He was already chipped and neutered and so we only had to pay for liability insurance and he would need to be muzzled and tethered in public. Fortunately, we don't have to tether and muzzle him because we have available private fields for him to run and be free.

I've been to university twice and my DH is an engineer. We own our own business. We are not stupid or irresponsible. We've all been done over by the lax rules about dog ownership that the government(s) enforce or don't. This ban was meant to mean tough sentences for the people who decided to ignore the rules and it doesn't seem to be the case.

Whilst I'm a firm believer that it isn't breed and it is the way the dog is handled, I know many will disagree, but it doesn't negate the fact that people aren't being sentenced sufficiently for their our of control dogs, even though rules were put in place.

Nobody is going to cull my dog, and I'd unregister from the exemption, pay £££s and go to court if needed to prove he isn't a threat.

Anyone who needs to feel the need to say they went to university - TWICE! - to prove their intelligence has already lost the argument.

im cleverer than you are…

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 00:31

ReggaetonLente · 05/11/2024 00:25

Yep. One bloke round us walks his off lead, no muzzle, around 3pm every day next to my kids’ school. And lets it shit everywhere too. I hate him and his repulsive dog!

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Sorry to hear that. I hope your neighbourhood get together to make sure the owner is forced to have the dog wear a muzzle.

In fact if this is happening next to a school I would assume the school have a duty of care to ensure this is reported & dealt with

EalingLucy · 05/11/2024 00:32

BreadInCaptivity · 05/11/2024 00:23

Why do you feel the need to own such a powerful dog?

Can you not see the irony in you refusing to obey any rules and others doing the same now?

The mantra "not the dog but the owner" is absolutely flawed.

Any dog can be unpredictable and aggressive in the right (or more aptly wrong) circumstances.

The difference with powerful breeds is the ability of the owner to physically manage the dog under such circumstances and the damage they can do in a very short space of time.

But then you already know this....

And your dog is different...

And you are better owners...

And you have a nice outside space so your dog doesn't need to be muzzled....

And your dog won't harm anyone...

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I think some people things it makes them seem tough, or brave?

EalingLucy · 05/11/2024 00:34

@ReggaetonLente I take it he won’t be conducive to a friendly chat…

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:34

@EalingLucy yes, unfortunately I do need to state that I've had the opportunity to be educated given the description of XL Bully owners on threads like these. We are all chavvy thiefs aren't we? Would that have made you feel better?

peanutbuttertoasty · 05/11/2024 00:37

Seize and destroy every single one of them.

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:38

EalingLucy · 05/11/2024 00:32

I think some people things it makes them seem tough, or brave?

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@EalingLucyare you 12 years old?

peanutbuttertoasty · 05/11/2024 00:40

And bring in mandatory dog licenses and dog training while they’re at it. Anyone letting their dog shit and not picking it up should have the dog removed. It’s beyond a joke now.

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:49

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 00:28

I've just read a solicitors article which said the jail sentence for an unprovoked dog attack by an XL bully or any dog registered as dangerous without a muzzle can be up to 14 years. Surely that's enough to make owners comply with the rules.

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It doesn't seem to be going that way unfortunately. Yes, those that refused to exempt and didn't follow the rules should be punished

Fatfreefatball · 05/11/2024 00:53

Another child attacked in Wales last month. Click on the link and if you've got the stomach for it you can see the injury caused. Unbelievable and amazing she survived. Girl, 12, has to undergo plastic surgery after XL bully attack - Wales Online
I hate these dogs for the heartbreak they have caused to families and pet owners. The poor cats, dogs and kids who have been attacked and often killed.
I knew a moron living nearby who was breeding these dogs before the ban. Thankfully, he has now stopped but only because he can't sell them. How many backstreet breeders are there? Time for a cull.

Girl, 12, has to undergo plastic surgery after XL bully attack

Ayva Batkin's mother explained how it could have ended differently without the quick-thinking of her father

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nantyglo-dog-attack-xl-bully-30280136

echt · 05/11/2024 00:54

Where did I say I rescued a powerful dog? He is 30kg

I'm looking at my athletic 26kg retriever and know full well that if he chose he could have at me big time with his fearsome cutlery. He is powerful no doubt.

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:59

@echt then I hope you feel better knowing that I'm a man, a vegan man, who is very kind to animals. My DH is also a man, and so if our dog who has never shown an inch of aggression, does suddenly show aggression, we would be able to contain it and get him to the vets to be PTS. I'm not worried, you have no need to be either.

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 01:02

echt · 05/11/2024 00:54

Where did I say I rescued a powerful dog? He is 30kg

I'm looking at my athletic 26kg retriever and know full well that if he chose he could have at me big time with his fearsome cutlery. He is powerful no doubt.

I suppose that's the chance you take. I'm presuming retrievers unlike the breeds specifically bred to fight are far less likely to maul a child to death.

echt · 05/11/2024 01:03

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:59

@echt then I hope you feel better knowing that I'm a man, a vegan man, who is very kind to animals. My DH is also a man, and so if our dog who has never shown an inch of aggression, does suddenly show aggression, we would be able to contain it and get him to the vets to be PTS. I'm not worried, you have no need to be either.

As an omnivorous woman I'm not worried, just seeing things as they are.

As woman on my own, not so sure I could hold him off if he went bonkers.

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 01:04

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 01:02

I suppose that's the chance you take. I'm presuming retrievers unlike the breeds specifically bred to fight are far less likely to maul a child to death.

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Oh, my last dog who was a Labrador would've killed a cat instantly - it never happened because I'm responsible. My bull breed runs out and greets them.

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 01:05

echt · 05/11/2024 01:03

As an omnivorous woman I'm not worried, just seeing things as they are.

As woman on my own, not so sure I could hold him off if he went bonkers.

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And we can and are able to

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 01:08

Firstimpressions · 05/11/2024 01:02

I suppose that's the chance you take. I'm presuming retrievers unlike the breeds specifically bred to fight are far less likely to maul a child to death.

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Retriever. There is a clue in the name. We had one 🤣

Ihopeithinkiknow · 05/11/2024 01:11

@TheDogsBalls I think that was the point they were trying to make mate, but you don't need someone less cleverer than you to point that out so i apologise.

BreadInCaptivity · 05/11/2024 01:12

TheDogsBalls · 05/11/2024 00:31

@Babycatsarenice and @BreadInCaptivity clearly can't read.

Where did I say I rescued a powerful dog? He is 30kg. My last dog was also a rescue who was 52kg when we got him, we got him down to 40kg and he was a big dog. He was a Labrador.

Our current dog is certainly a bully breed - not necessarily a XL Bully, because they don't exist. We had no choice but to register for exemption - you might want to familiarise yourselves with the DEFRA measurements yeah.

Golly you are trying very hard to patronise.

It's not just about size/weight but bite strength and aggressive tendencies.

Please feel free to make all the arguments you wish in favour of your dog and your choices.

It's an open forum and all the better for being so.

However you didn't respond to my post really. Just deflected by playing the player and not the ball in your post.

You are happy not to obey the rules for your dog if it you see fit, yet can't see the parallels in so many tragic utterly preventable deaths caused by irresponsible owners whose dogs are sweethearts incidents where owners have given similar narratives to yourself.