imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

[Cartwrightandson]

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

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Well, assuming Kehlif is female, it's also pretty stupid given the controversy that Kehlif 's team have not released test results that prove it.

So the argument "Kehlif's team would not something that stupid" is not an argument anyone who believes Kehlif is female can use, since in order to believe this they already have to believe Kehlif's team can be pretty stupid!

I somehow doubt that women in Algeria are expected to act in that way. Or anywhere else for that matter. Women winning in the other weight classes acted with a lot more decorum (even the male one). It really looked like extremely blokey behaviour and I think showed a certain contempt towards the sporting world. Perhaps a final hurrah as I don’t think Khalif will be able to compete again.

It was clear that he and his team didn't give a fuck about optics. The whole thing was blatantly triumphant and two fingers up.

Yeah, that’s put it better than I could!

It is, which is why Khalif and the other boxer are banned from competing by at least two boxing organisations.

Come on… he’s NOT been brought up as female! He and his family knew from puberty at the latest and it’s very clear that he has been socialised differently to other ‘women’. It’s there on his timeline and observable in the interactions broadcast to the world with his coaching team. The disingenuousness of this line if argument is risible.

I’m not arguing that he is female or should be treated as such. Just wondering about his upbringing and its effect. If he has actually been brought up as a male then clearly he will have no trouble living as one.

More coverage here.

Hopefully everyone will now agree that the IOC has to reinstate sex testing

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-14009849/Imane-Khelif-new-leaked-report-Olympics-gender-row-boxer.html

There seems to be no trouble with Khelif living as Khelif. At the moment, with all the discussion, Khelif is being treated as a celebrity with invites to grand events and layouts in Vogue.

Has any of the female boxers from the Olympics been treated with such reverence and celebrity? No.

Khelif is now a celebrity. Khelif already was considered an ambassador for 'girls' with Khelif's charity work. What other new female athletes from the Olympics have been given such status so quickly?

If there is one, anyone please post their names. It really is stark when you start to look beyond the knee jerk empathy response. The inequality here is very clear.

How do you think that Khelif's upbringing is guiding Khelif's life at the moment?

He should not have the gold - but the whole thing is a shambles.

It could have been Angela Carini who won gold (for example), but as she was knocked out in the first fight with this man we will never know.

Yeah, as there’s no repechage, Kalif’s presence has skewed the entire game.

This is once again muddying the waters by implying Khelif is "transgender".

Chance to educate the wider public that DSDs exist, which one it is and what's actually being claimed here and how it fits missed.

TRAs are right really. The IK case is exactly the same as trans rights.

But it's because what it boils down to is does this male (be they transwoman or male with DSD) trample women's boundaries, or not. It's that simple.

I'm sure many transwomen and males with DSDs do not enter women's spaces and competitions. But fuck knows the popular mainstream strand of trans rights activism sure likes to make it look as if disregarding boundaries (ie being abusive) is inherent to the identity of being a transwoman or a male with a DSD.

And it is fucking depressing that being so overtly misogynist is so acceptable in public life. In fact it's virtually a requirement for working in the arts and entertainment industries.

So, please anyone please post where Kelly Harrington MULTIPLE Gold medallist in boxing (or any female gold medalist from the Olympics 2024) has been invited to Milan Fashion week this year? Or done a Vogue or equivalent layout without being a professional model?

Anyone?

Ever wondered what the difference in treatment may be because? I mean, Kelly is a lesbian so is part of the same LGBTI community and all. Khelif from the 'I' abbreviation of course.

I look forward to seeing the list of female olympians from 2024 that have been treated with such celebrity on an international stage.

There are absolutely similarities between Khelif and any male boxer with a transgender identity. We have discussed in depth on threads during the Olympics.

The similarities are when both groups of male athletes go through puberty to develop male pubertal advantage. The advantages are pretty much the same. And in some countries, both groups can have a 'female' on their passport / birth certificate too.

And for all the responses about 'how hard was it to be Khelif in Algeria'? How hard has the life been, and continues to be, of the female boxers from Algeria that were displaced because of this male boxer ?

Where is the empathy at all for the female boxers that Khelif has displaced?

The rerason TRAs are defeinding Kehlif's claim to womanhood despite Kehlif rejecting the suggestion he is trans is because TRAs claim that the defining criterion for womahoood is "believes oneself a woman". Physical womanhood does not exist for them. (1)

In TRA-land, both trans women and Khelif are women who are cruelly suffering because of society's prejudiced beliefs about what type of body a woman can have. So TRAs feel compelled to defend Khelif's womanhood because they see her as suffering the same injustice as trans women.

Furthermore, TRAs need Khelif to be accepeted as a woman because if his claim to be a woman can be rejected because he is male, the basis on which trans women cliam womanhood is also undermined.

(1) Which does beg the question "why does the body need to be altered then?" but that's a whole other thread. Many core statements of TRA faith do not add up. Ultimately it's because this is a faith based system that has grown out of sexist foundations that they cannot now acknowledge so they are frantically ret-conning all the time.

Bugger - apologies for spelling Khelif's name wrong in the last few posts.

Now hitting mainstream press.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-14009849/amp/Imane-Khelif-new-leaked-report-Olympics-gender-row-boxer.html

Pressure on to give the medals back.

Could he honestly not see this coming?

I wondered earlier how the Khelif supporters would react if a mainstream outlet such as the Mail got wind of this, given that their reaction to the original source was a sneering "Call THAT a proper source?" I wanted to know if the Mail or the Telegraph would be sneered at or dismissed because they are right wing conservative publications. I'm interested to see.

Especially as Piers Morgan is doing the "slamming".

Seems nowadays that if you agree with someone about one thing, then you agree with them about everything. You are either Right Wing (bigoted and bad) or Left Wing (tolerant and good)

Here it is in German from a media source called BILD who the DM journos wrongfully attribute as being the 'first reported' source. But maybe that has to with mainstream source ???

https://archive.ph/kKZ7u

It is getting out there.

I question though ... how many media sources will be enough for those who dismissed Reduxx?

Unfortunately the Bild is easy to dismiss as well. It's basically the Sun auf Deutsch.

I expect that, yes. Anything that is not pure enough will be dismissed as not being credible enough.

This is the issue with tribalism, isn't it? Even for those who declare they are not tribal in their politics at all yet will discredit media sources without engaging with the information within.

It is the very opposite to seeking to find an accurate representation of a situation to my mind.

They will/would be, but a left wing publication wouldn't be accepted either. Whatever the organ, it'll be transphobic.

Until it's unavoidable, and then it will be the TERFs fault for being bad people who were right for the wrong reasons, causing the good people to have mistakenly been wrong, but only wrong for right and good reasons.

And Khelif-the-cheat, like Isla-the-rapist, Barbie-the-deranged and Yanniv-the-racist, will be just one more bad apple who should not be used ever to suggest that men-who-claim-they-are-women may from time to time have bad intentions.

After all, bringing up those people is just mean to other men-who-claim-to-be-women, and only a person who hates anyone different would ever ever ever be that nasty, so those people are only doing it to be nasty not because they really care about other people so it is good and right that they be ignored.