Those who believe MN is more leftists, what makes you think so?

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Because to me MN has always come off much more right / conservative.

So, if you can point out what makes it so leftist.

So does the right.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · Yesterday 18:26
Just look at the long running threads in Chat - Starmer no x threads! They won’t hear a word against Labour, nor a word pro Conservatives.

pointythings · Yesterday 21:03You're completely wrong about that - those threads have a group of posters who are very diverse politically, and they include people who have voted all across the political spectrum in their lives

I disagree, pointythings. Any poster on the Starmer threads who dares criticise Labour gets rounded on by the regulars who know they’ll have the support of each other when sneering at any poster such as Clavinova who may offer a different view.

I know because when I post the amount of quotes from pro Labour users is very high. When you are swimming against the tide you get swamped with quotes and often insults and sneering as tactics.

Although finally changing, maybe because people can see Labour aren't doing well atm and the usual tactics of 'bot' or 'HQ' to silence is wearing a bit thin. Although still used on pretty much every thread, even when public sentiment isn't great some still think none of that should be on mn, no idea why.

There has been a gap between mn and general commentary due to how threads run. It is changing somewhat after the budget, and market response will likely bring a few more to post criticism.

And this too, the way the thread goes when Clavinova posts is obvious, there will be multiple posters sneering, although she deals with it pretty well

I really don't agree that pro Labour posters predominate. Next time you're on a politics thread, do a quick count. I think you might be surprised.

@CurlewKate do you also think the Brexit threads are balanced?

You are talking about one thread which has about 12 to 20 regular posters. Hardly relevant to the question in the OP about the whole site.

The same so called shutting down occurs on many other threads but only called shutting down by you when you are in the minority on the particular thread.

The idea that mn doesn't have a large contingent of pro Labour posters is for the birds no matter which thread.

The post below made the claim that wasn't the case, and it's not correct. People don't see it obviously but it's harder if you are part of the that trend to do so

I've found MN to be right of centre whereas Facebook groups are definitely left of centre (or center as most of them are dominated by Americans).

To be honest, I think Clavinova is an outlier-I'm not sure she's statistically significant!

Absolutely agree, lots of rounding on by posters who are critical of Labour because regulars on that thread know their “mates” will back them. Much sneering at other threads too. All really immature.

CurlewKate · Today 13:33
To be honest, I think Clavinova is an outlier-I'm not sure she's statistically significant

I don’t understand that - do you mean her opinions are irrelevant?

Yeah but IRL I have never met anyone like the folk on the royal topic - the ones posting about how great William looks with a beard and all the wonderful work he does and how busy he is. I just find it genuinely startling how keen some people are on the royals and I do assume they are mostly right wing

What does that mean?

The point is it’s where you can see people rounding on a poster for differing views

It’s left leaning. There is a group of prolific posters. They are open about being pensioners/benefits claimants. This have all day to post and take over threads. They do so, sneering at people. Even if they’ve never voted Tory in their lives! Anyone with a bit of money or successful job is often called a Tory bot. People’s genuine concerns mocked. Sneering language to anyone who comes across as working class and has other political concerns which don’t fit the left narrative. Everyone knows it goes on and if you don’t maybe you are part of the Starmer fan club.

Dear oh dear.

Those threads have been running a long time now, since around the time of Partygate, so we have all inevitably got to "know" each other, as far as one can know an anonymous poster on t'internet. Sorry that you feel we shouldn't have a bit of fun on them. I wonder why you are so bothered by it?

As for us not criticising Labour. That is just not true. Not all of us are even Labour voters/supporters.

If MN is so very left leaning, how do you explain the regular posts that are anti-immigration, benefit bashing, pensioner bashing, social housing bashing etc. etc.? There has also been load of threads bashing the budget.

I think there are a lot of left wing people here, but there are also plenty on the right.

Anyone with a bit of money or successful job is often called a Tory bot

Don't be silly. Plenty of left wingers have a good job and a bit of money.

Why would I be bothered by an ordinary cat clique, because that’s all that thread is?

You give yourself too much credit.,

As for us not criticising Labour. That is just not true. Not all of us are even Labour voters/supporters.

Possibly not but you are united in your loathing of Tories.

You're bothered enough to make a snidely little post about it!😉

I actually think the cats are the best thing about the thread

The traditional left/right political divide, with its rigid categorizations and binary labels, feels increasingly ill-suited to the complexities of our modern world. This framework, born from historical class struggles and ideologies, simply cannot encapsulate the intricate web of social, economic, and environmental issues we face today. Such a simplistic division forces individuals to align with predefined “sides” that often fail to address the nuanced, multifaceted nature of most issues. In reality, people’s perspectives are usually far more complex, varied, and contradictory than a binary political spectrum can represent. By framing every issue as a left- or right-leaning matter, we strip away the potential for thoughtful, individual analysis and end up with a framework that inhibits rather than enhances dialogue and problem-solving.

Moreover, the insistence on framing problems within a left/right debate breeds division, pitting people against one another based on arbitrary labels instead of encouraging collaboration. This polarisation can make it nearly impossible for individuals to engage meaningfully with diverse perspectives, as they are pressured to take “sides” rather than approach each issue on its own merits. Many people, when thinking and talking outside of political labels, would likely find they share common ground on individual issues, but the left/right binary obscures this potential for unity. If we moved beyond this outdated framework and approached issues independently of any political spectrum, there would be more room for dialogue, constructive debate, and solutions that better reflect the complexity and diversity of human thought and experience.

Actually, some on that thread have voted Tory in the past. It is this particular iteration of the Tory party that is disliked. I don't loathe Tory voters. I do loathe some of the attitudes of the more right wing Tories, though.

Perhaps post a pic of your superior cat then since that seems to be your main bone of contention. Or , better, stop being so unpleasant.

Why not?

Did it hit a nerve, by any chance?

I think you are relishing proving the point that it ain't the left that's nasty.

As I said upthread my 'average' cat died two days ago. You can't even respond kindly. Oh well, at least I can deflect my anger.