Those who believe MN is more leftists, what makes you think so?

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Because to me MN has always come off much more right / conservative.

So, if you can point out what makes it so leftist.

At the 2019 election time, the numbers on here who were voting for Corbyn’s labour were huge / had very loud voices.

I didn’t vote as I thought the options were both exceptionally poor.

Centrist in the UK is right in European terms so it depends how you look at it.

The right/left spectrum is a modern understanding from the French revolution. Christianity is an ethical construct that's 2000 years old

The centre is surely a myth, what is centrism?

And both require regular updating.

There is a whole Royals topic. I think the "fawning" gets skewed by the dislike of Harry and Meghan quite often. On the whole people are polite about them unless it's a thread on politics where you get both sides.

I think MN is pretty lefty with a bias towards middle class, urban women with progressive ideas. There's a lot of moaning. I take that as being something the left do mostly.

However some topics like the Higher Education board come across much more elitist. It's only the private/white centric Uni's ever discussed.

I like the Telly Addict board. The Married At First Sight discussion is without any class or politics and is some of the wittiest stuff on MN. awaits the serial complainers looking it up to tell me I'm wrong

What updates do you have in mind?

The leftists are louder, for sure. I bet a lot do what I do - roll eyes and scroll past the viciousness because there's no talking to them.

I agree - I don’t think that MN necessarily has more lefties, just that those of us with more right wing views can’t be arsed with engaging only to be met with name calling and vitriol.

But I guess when one of their leaders calls tories “scum” and mouths off at every opportunity it’s not surprising they follow suit and throw insults at those who don’t share their views.

I think it’s an older demographic that sways more Tory

I also think it’s quite white

The left don't support Labour. They lost over 100,000 members when Starmer shifted the party to the right.

On right/left: That divide just needs to go. Politics are so complex now that it no longer applies. Most people are a mix of both: I know people who are economically liberal but socially conservative, people who are the other way round, people who are a mad mix. The boxes no longer work.

On Christianity: Getting over the ridiculous ideas about the place of women, abortion and homosexuality would be a start. Recognising that the prohibitions around extramarital sex are no longer of this age. Getting Christianity (and all religion!) out of our schools and our legal system. Religion needs to be kept in the home - freedom of religion should also mean freedom from religion for those who want no truck with it.

Pro-Kamala

I would say more anti Trump - but then this is a website primarily for women and that isn't Trump's demographic.

I mean, the Bible advocates the killing of actual children quite often. Not to mention that, presumably at God's will, 10 to 15% of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion.

Which would make God a mass murderer surely?

It tends to be very London-centric and middle class which normally goes hand in hand with left-wing opinions.

I find it the opposite , dare to express an opinion that is midly different to a lot of the firmly right wing views expressed a lot here and the name calling commences.

there is a lot of intolerance for any opinion that differs from someone’s own often combined with a lack of ability & unwillingness to discuss and debate with civility.

And it's the left who are apparently bile spewing ?
I just got the most wonderful kind words from the posters on that thread when my beloved cat suddenly died two days ago leaving me utterly bereft, so you can do one frankly.

There are many threads of like minded people about many things on Chat.

To answer the question, start a thread about child poverty, racial disparities in things like maternity care, educational inequalities, disability and poverty, and you establish the lie of the land pretty quickly on here. Those threads are often tumbleweed or occasionally descend into some pretty awful victim blaming and stereotyping.

What I thought might be an interesting thread (maybe slightly more right leaning) about whether children nowadays were "overly labelled", was shut down only this morning.
The OP was apparently banned, but in that thread had said nothing particularly spiteful or degrading. Several teachers also expressed their opinion which was interesting.
There is definitley a fear around discussing something which could be uncomfortable, but if you silence debate too much, it ends up with people being entrenched in their views. Debate, after all, is the means of persuading people to change their previously held viewpoint!

Mumsnet is centre right economically and politically but soft left socially. IMHO.

I think that's pretty spot on. Also the fact that some people think MN is very left whilst others think it's very right suggests it's actually pretty mixed and balanced.

It's very telling that the sneers at the long running political threads named after whoever is PM always come from the right.

No chance, if it were that politically threads wouldn't be as they are with so many pro Labour posters

Mumsnet isn't a monolith. It's a group of individuals, each with our own motivations and biases.

Furthermore, people are far more likely to notice the posts that are in conflict with their view, rather than the ones that support them. So left leaning people think the userbase as a whole leans right, and right leaning people think it leans left.

It's a matter of perspective. Tilt your head to the left far enough, and the world around you looks like it's tilting right.

@EasternStandard "No chance, if it were that politically threads wouldn't be as they are with so many pro Labour posters"

I really don't agree that pro Labour posters predominate. Next time you're on a politics thread, do a quick count. I think you might be surprised. I do think, though, that pro Labour posters are more prepared to be up front about it. There's a lot of posts that are obviously leaning to the right, but the poster says "I'm not a Tory voter." Not sure why that is- possibly in an attempt to present right wing views as mainstream?