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To wonder why dp can't get a job this way

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Lacky301 · 31/10/2024 11:35

Dp can never get a job directly with a employer his applications are always rejected or he doesn't hear back.
We are trying to avoid agencies as his last workplace had a hire and fire system dp got settled there after been there almost 2 years but company didnt have enough work so he had to finish.

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GRex · 02/11/2024 09:41

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 09:10

The job he's just lost was in walking distance

Is he limiting opportunities by walking distance? He might need to consider getting a bus or cycling to increase job opportunities.

Saschka · 02/11/2024 09:46

Bornnotbourne · 02/11/2024 08:16

The eurgh it’s racism is a really easy card to play, however, I know women who’ve been affected by this phenomenon. Single men who come to this country, shack up with someone who ends up paying the bills then send all their money home.

From OP’s previous threads, he is sending home a huge proportion of their monthly income too - more than they are paying in rent, and more than they can comfortably afford. To the point where OP was worried about a rent increase over summer.

He could have paid for his GCSEs and his forklift truck certificate out of the money he sends home just in one month, and still have had money left over. It’s this which is crippling them, and this is why people are saying he is bleeding her dry.

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 09:47

GRex · 02/11/2024 09:41

Is he limiting opportunities by walking distance? He might need to consider getting a bus or cycling to increase job opportunities.

Well yes we are open to using public transport but the cost of travel out of minimum wage is alot

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Notsuchafattynow · 02/11/2024 09:49

Where we live there are food factories that permanently hiring for manual workers, and have buses that pick them up and ship them in. It's the lowest jobs and they know they getting non English speaking, unqualified people. However they pay min wage and the hours are there etc. They only recruit via agencies, so look at that kind of agency. Eventually, the factories will swap them onto their own contracts as a way of avoiding the agency premium.

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:06

GRex · 02/11/2024 09:39

It sounds like things have been very difficult @Lacky301. It's a little confusing why you have jumped to there being a major issue with employability if your DP has been working for 2 years, was let go only due to lack of work, and has only been looking for 2 weeks. How does this line up with your OP of "can never get a job directly" or some general idea that no agency work can be suitable yet two agencies responded within the course of one day on the thread? GCSE English and maths have free online courses, why has your DP not done those so that he can improve his employability? I would say that while you might not like some of the advice you get as a result of being fully open about your DP's situation, advice will always be more useful to you if you are fully clear about additional issues. The timing with the budget may have meant a recruitment freeze in some businesses, so you may need to hold your nerve for a few weeks to let businesses work through the cost impact and then it'll be clearer which roles are actually still open.

You mention a son, and that your DP has been here just 2 years; is that a shared child? Did you move to a larger home to accommodate the DP? If you have a job, presumably lived somewhere before, and previously had earned enough between you to not need benefits, then how is the situation suddenly so desperate? How has no money been saved for rainy day issues, nor put towards basic training like forklift driver, when that would allow him to earn so much more? Sending some money home to his family is fine when your family unit has met its basic needs, but he cannot help them if he makes your living situation perilous here.

My son is from a previous relationship before dp got this job he applied for around 72 jobs direct with companies and not a single response as soon as he contacted a agency he got one.

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Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:09

He's lost his job in the middle of saving for visa renewal and on top of Christmas and already he's applied to loads of jobs and mostly rejected or no response so history is repeating itself.

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SquishyGloopyBum · 02/11/2024 10:16

Is he still sending money abroad though op?

KatherineParr · 02/11/2024 10:22

OP, gently, history is repeating itself because nothing has changed.

GRex · 02/11/2024 10:31

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:06

My son is from a previous relationship before dp got this job he applied for around 72 jobs direct with companies and not a single response as soon as he contacted a agency he got one.

These 72 applications then, were before his 2 year UK work experience; with no qualifications, english as a second language, no references... you were naive to expect a company to take him on, only an agency would! Now he has a reference and 2 years history, he has a rung up. It's a real shame he didn't get a couple of GCSEs and forklift qualification or he'd start being able to improve his prospects at the next step. If you want to keep him, then make sure he understands next time it has to be lesson learned; use being in work to actually improve his chances.

I hope your son isn't being affected by all this disruption to life. He should be a financial priority, not only DP's overseas family. Apologies, I don't want to dig around through historical threads, but it sounds like people have some justifiable concerns about the financial set-up. What percentage and amount of his income was he actually sending to his family, versus the amount put towards rent, bills, food and family life? And had you moved home to accommodate him?

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:32

I've paid for some really cheap courses on Reed just something to put on his CV.
He spoke with his friend today who told him he has done his sia license but cannot get any job in that sector no matter how hard he tries his friend from similar background.

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downwindofyou · 02/11/2024 10:39

How much is he sending home per month?
What exactly was his 2 year job?

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:45

GRex · 02/11/2024 10:31

These 72 applications then, were before his 2 year UK work experience; with no qualifications, english as a second language, no references... you were naive to expect a company to take him on, only an agency would! Now he has a reference and 2 years history, he has a rung up. It's a real shame he didn't get a couple of GCSEs and forklift qualification or he'd start being able to improve his prospects at the next step. If you want to keep him, then make sure he understands next time it has to be lesson learned; use being in work to actually improve his chances.

I hope your son isn't being affected by all this disruption to life. He should be a financial priority, not only DP's overseas family. Apologies, I don't want to dig around through historical threads, but it sounds like people have some justifiable concerns about the financial set-up. What percentage and amount of his income was he actually sending to his family, versus the amount put towards rent, bills, food and family life? And had you moved home to accommodate him?

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I've ensured my son isn't affected I've supported him through university etc however my son is grown up and working now.

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AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 11:01

Goodness what a lot of privilege on this thread! Why on earth is it so hard to believe that someone in OPs partner’s circumstances can’t just turn it all around by following some quick mumsnet advice 😭

OP you’re concentrating on the wrong thing- he just needs a job and income now, and by an agency. It’s not as hard as it was before- he has a reference and work history now!

I would embellish his cv as advised, use the key words and avoid saying no to any offer, particularly if it reveals things like lack of driving license.

if his written English is poor is likely he’s nowhere near the level that would enable him to take gcse English or maths, and besides, it’s not like OP can make him do things like that- she’s not his mum.

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 11:02

downwindofyou · 02/11/2024 10:39

How much is he sending home per month?
What exactly was his 2 year job?

2 year job was working in a engineering company assembling parts, operating press machines, and order picking.

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KatherineParr · 02/11/2024 11:13

AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 11:01

Goodness what a lot of privilege on this thread! Why on earth is it so hard to believe that someone in OPs partner’s circumstances can’t just turn it all around by following some quick mumsnet advice 😭

OP you’re concentrating on the wrong thing- he just needs a job and income now, and by an agency. It’s not as hard as it was before- he has a reference and work history now!

I would embellish his cv as advised, use the key words and avoid saying no to any offer, particularly if it reveals things like lack of driving license.

if his written English is poor is likely he’s nowhere near the level that would enable him to take gcse English or maths, and besides, it’s not like OP can make him do things like that- she’s not his mum.

OP's partner has had the resources to do courses (not just GCSEs, but vocational courses like the forklifting course mentioned), but actively chooses not to because it is more important for him to send money home to relatives. It is not just a lack of privilege. It is to some extent an active choice, which reveals his priority is his family, not OP.

DreamW3aver · 02/11/2024 11:15

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:09

He's lost his job in the middle of saving for visa renewal and on top of Christmas and already he's applied to loads of jobs and mostly rejected or no response so history is repeating itself.

Why do you keep mentioning Christmas? If you don't have enough money spending it on Christmas is crazy, drop the exoectation now

Do you live near any supermarkets, the ones near me have signs up for seasonal staff

GRex · 02/11/2024 11:20

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 10:45

I've ensured my son isn't affected I've supported him through university etc however my son is grown up and working now.

If your son is grown up, then you don't need to worry about Christmas this year, just explain to him if money is too tight for special food and gifts. Adults can agree to have a cheaper post Christmas dinner on 27th with supermarket discounted turkey etc.

It's conspicuous which questions you are avoiding. I hope you understand that you should be your DP's top priority.

AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 11:33

KatherineParr · 02/11/2024 11:13

OP's partner has had the resources to do courses (not just GCSEs, but vocational courses like the forklifting course mentioned), but actively chooses not to because it is more important for him to send money home to relatives. It is not just a lack of privilege. It is to some extent an active choice, which reveals his priority is his family, not OP.

For all we know he’s sending his family £20 a month. That doesn’t go far in courses. Plus as a PP mentioned, there are sensitive cultural reasons behind this tradition that your typical British person won’t be able to empathise with

Saschka · 02/11/2024 11:47

AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 11:33

For all we know he’s sending his family £20 a month. That doesn’t go far in courses. Plus as a PP mentioned, there are sensitive cultural reasons behind this tradition that your typical British person won’t be able to empathise with

From a previous thread, where OP gave a full breakdown of their finances, he is sending £525 per month home. Their rent is £500, and they were struggling to pay it in August when both were in work, because he is sending so much back.

He could afford to do any number of courses if he sent less back home.

KatherineParr · 02/11/2024 11:48

OP, please correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression from previous threads was that it was a lot more than £20. I'm also not a 'typical British person', so I do understand the cultural context - there just comes a point where you can't afford to send any money back when you're worried about how to pay your rent.

YouAreOne · 02/11/2024 11:49

There needs to be an ultimatum that you stop sending money home. This is insane.

What country is he from?

GRex · 02/11/2024 11:50

AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 11:33

For all we know he’s sending his family £20 a month. That doesn’t go far in courses. Plus as a PP mentioned, there are sensitive cultural reasons behind this tradition that your typical British person won’t be able to empathise with

There are free online GCSE courses too. Even in assembly work, some roles will require English and Maths for instructions, and those roles get slightly better pay. Your advice to lie on his CV could get him sacked by the way.

OP has asked for advice and doesn't have to take any of it, but hopefully she is thinking it all over because it does appear that this man may be taking advantage of her financially to whatever degree. Bear in mind that this man is clearly a very new partner, who appears to be costing her money to be supported as she can no longer make ends meet when she used to support herself and a now adult son. "Cultural sensitivities" is not a clever catch-all meaning that people should avoid questioning whether they can actually afford the amount he is sending, and nor does it mean that posters should leave a vulnerable person unaware that they deserve respect and fair treatment from someone.

AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 12:01

If it’s £525 a month then it’s OP who sending it to his home and OP I agree you are well within your rights to stop doing this until he can do it himself. Also presumably OP will not be sending that money when she can’t afford it.

AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 12:02

GRex · 02/11/2024 11:50

There are free online GCSE courses too. Even in assembly work, some roles will require English and Maths for instructions, and those roles get slightly better pay. Your advice to lie on his CV could get him sacked by the way.

OP has asked for advice and doesn't have to take any of it, but hopefully she is thinking it all over because it does appear that this man may be taking advantage of her financially to whatever degree. Bear in mind that this man is clearly a very new partner, who appears to be costing her money to be supported as she can no longer make ends meet when she used to support herself and a now adult son. "Cultural sensitivities" is not a clever catch-all meaning that people should avoid questioning whether they can actually afford the amount he is sending, and nor does it mean that posters should leave a vulnerable person unaware that they deserve respect and fair treatment from someone.

As I said, he is unlikely to be capable of taking gcse English and maths.

i didn’t suggest he lies on his cv, but of course, depending on the lie, he is very unlikely to get caught out (like a PP suggestion of lying about his experience in his home country)

Lacky301 · 02/11/2024 12:18

He's from Pakistan to the poster that asked. He's giving between 400 and 500 and at the moment there is immense pressure coming from relatives back there.

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