to be a bit surprised at the misogyny described/displayed on mn at times?

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Right, well, first off, I love it here. i especially love it because there are plenty of intelligent, witty posters.
However, I am frequently surprised at threads relating to pornography, exchanging sex for "gifts" and fanjo shaving, etc. Now, I know we've all got different ideas about what is acceptable, but sometimes it's like feminism never happened.

Am now seeing a Lilt ad, set in Aberdeen.

gawd, it's 85 friggin' degrees in my hometown already.

humid as hell, too.

and my folks are off to Mexico. haahaaa.

my dad will bitch about how the power got cut in the night and so they slept without the window A/C unit.

then he'll bitch about everything.

then he'll just turn round and go back.

gawd, it's 85 friggin' degrees in my hometown already.

humid as hell, too.

and my folks are off to Mexico. haahaaa.

my dad will bitch about how the power got cut in the night and so they slept without the window A/C unit.

then he'll bitch about everything.

then he'll just turn round and go back.

The main reason why pubic shaving became popular in porn magazines was because, years ago, it was prohibited to show pubes, so the models depilated in order to get more revealing (by the standards of the time) shots.
And I have very recently seen a porn DVD that was all about women with unshaven fanjos. I have in general found porn to be more celebratory of diverse body types than mainstream fashion, and mainstream fashion far more harmful to women's self esteem than porn (you see far more of it and the pressure is far more intense, the message is that you will not be acceptable unless you conform).

But misogyny is not just about sex (by which I mean sexuality, not gender): most of the misogyny I have noted has been on threads about alcohol and diet (ie all women must sacrifice everything and smile because they are walking incubators, not people, and if they insist on being human beings with autonomy, they are Selfish).

don't be simplistic?

eh? i PREFER how i look, mmj.

i prefer myself without all that hair, especially now as i can't tan here.

i don't like the feel of stubble or hairs growing back.

i don't even like the feeling of stubble on my husband.

gross! turns me right off, like beards and mustaches and hair chests.

eewww.

johnny depp. even looked at his arms and chest?

mmmm. half-Cherokee, ALL sexy!

MrsMattie - you are wrong about our mums sorting out their pubic hair. I remember my mum sorting out her spiders legs. Not a pleasant thought to a 12 year old....

quite, madame.

i found the teacher strike thread misogynist.

MOST people in low-paid, caring positions are women.

and there were women coming out in force, hating other women for protesting against working conditions and pay they found unfair.

Madamez - what threads say things like that?

Agree about your porn statement though - I often think that in debates on MN about porn that the people oppossedto porn are actually quite naive about it, they seem tho think that all porn is the 'filmed-with-gorgeous-blonde-perfect-body-women' type, and its really not.

The porn industry is now, thanks to the internet, made up of homemade, amateur, webcam type stuff.

When I bend down in front of DH and he says, 'while you're down there...' I don't recoil in horror and think he's an evil misogynist. I roll my eyes and tell him to piss off. Feminism!

madamez - that is not really contextual.. it was a genuine question not really a

sorry!

MN mysogynistic, ah but the balance is restored by over prudish, perfect people!! People like porn, people don't like porn what's the difference? I don't approve of it and find it demeaning at best, but I understand that others find it entertaining...I have ill judged views about those people and that keeps me comfortable in my own opinion, I would never share those!!
Shaving in a matter of choice and if it makes a woman feel sexy then good luck, I have experimneted with a whole bag of bush and may have made my partner slightly wild but it's all good. I cannot that relinquashes my right to my views on equality. I would dress up for my dp but would vomit if he the same!! When a man is at your beck and call I can't think you wouldn't feel empowered somewhat, as part of a loving relationship if you're lucky enough to have one.
I think my dp and I make our own ideas about what is acceptable in our relationship and sometimes get it wrong. Worse is the stereotypes of what is acceptable as 'male' behaviour... but that's kind of personal too!

If I could spell relinquishes that may have come accross better!! Sod the typos.

the idea that women can't make an informed choice about how they chose to look - by depilating or not, dyeing their hair or not, using makeup or not - is intrinsically misogynist.

labelling their choices as anti-feminist, porn-influenced or what have you just because they don't conform to your views of what is a feminist is just about as misogynistic as you can get.

well, re OP, women can be very hard on eachother, someitmes harder than men when it comes to criticising other women's appearance, life choices etc
it would be nice if we all supported eachother by on MN as in life it doesn't always happen

and re fanjo hair, mine is positively luxuriant and dh doesn't seem to care one way or another
I do give it a light strimming every now and then to keep it under control
but as for waxing it all off-NO farking way the ingrowing hairs would be agony, it's just not worth it

but on MN not by on MN...

This is classic!

I think it would be interesting to discuss how it came to be that the world (MN I mean) is so divided re what constitutes equality, independence, feminism.

I myself feel that an extremely cunning sleight of hand was performed in the early nineties, when 'liberation' was co-opted by lad-mags and repositioned as 'no hang-ups'. They managed to make old-school feminism deeply 'hung-up' and uncool for girls, and it was very clever.

So misogyny became 'earthy, unabashed masculinity, with a great sense of humour'.

And feminism became 'I take off my clothes to show how much I love my body, and how confident I am.'

Expat - well said.

'no way is the way.' - Bruce Lee

Ingrowing hairs - definitely not agony!

And yes, OBT - that is what its all about. If I choose to take off all my clothes because I am confident enough, then I will.

How that is misogynist I don't know.

exactly obm
feminism became girl power and flashing your tits became empowerment
what absolute bollocks

tend skin, exfoliate = no ingrown hairs.

i don't get them at all now. had very few as it was.

dirtysexy "The porn industry is now, thanks to the internet, made up of homemade, amateur, webcam type stuff."

Or..
"the porn industry is now, thanks to the internet, able to objectify an even wider group of women without paying big-name fees."