to be a bit surprised at the misogyny described/displayed on mn at times?

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Right, well, first off, I love it here. i especially love it because there are plenty of intelligent, witty posters.
However, I am frequently surprised at threads relating to pornography, exchanging sex for "gifts" and fanjo shaving, etc. Now, I know we've all got different ideas about what is acceptable, but sometimes it's like feminism never happened.

he's a proud gelding, DK .

Night ladies!
As you were............sorry for lowering the tone!

Oh for freaking christ's sake! Ladies!
In line, please. And trot on.

No, OBM, the choice is not between Performative Sex and No Sex, the choice is between allowing people to engage in whatever sex they like (with other consenting adults, including toys, dressing up and roleplay) and telling people that unless the sex they want/engage in falls within certain parameters (monogamous 'love' relationship, no dressing up because you don't need that when it's True Love) they are bad, deluded, stupid or sick - or traitors to feminism.
And Dittany, the fetish scene is not 'men treating women as fuck toys'. It's about people exploriing their sexual tastes in a negotiated, friendly and respectful fashion. Yes there are some arseholes and idiots, but FFS there are plenty of arseholes and idiots engaging in 'normal' relationships, as even the briefest look at the Relationship section on here will show you.

Oh FFS I step away for a minute and it's suddenly all about horses' cocks! To go back to shaving in general for a minute: I usually shave my legs once I am likely to be showing them without tights/trousers. But right now I can't because I am having a huge psoriasis outbreak. So what's the best feminist option...
Shave legs and put up with the pain, itching and even more psoriasis plukes?
Hide legs because of revolting scabby psoriasis?
Flaunt hairy scabby plukey legs at everyone?
Comments gratefully considered...

you should be proud of scabby, hairy legs, madame!

and if you don't particularly like that look, you are a traitor to feminism and a victim of patriarchal, misogynistic society.

Damn. I am a gender traitor for caring about my legs. But my punishment is (and oh yes it is) that the farking disease is spreading gleefully all over my face and hands, so whether or not I shave I am still in for a good few weeks of people shuddering and moving aside so they don't have to touch me...

And (self-pitying whining aside) there is possibly another interesting track we could take the discussion on: does it matter more to women if they have any kind of visible Something Wrong, and is that about misogyny?

{I am off for my dp to grovel further about his recent behaviour, whilst he massages my feet and dare not interrupt Have I got news for you}

If a man said that about his wife/partner all hell would break loose

Isn't feminism about having equality and choices?? That what I've always believed. We have the choice to do what we like, earn if we want to (though much more needs to be done to become equal there) stay home if we want to, be bald, partially bald or hirsute. We want to be our own people with our own set of rules and values. We are just making it this way with men, sadly, I can never see it happening with our sisters. It makes me sad that in general, I get more understanding and acceptance from men than women.

As for psoriasis outbreak on legs, I wax mine, a few days of discomfort but then a few weeks of nothing needed

madamez, broad daylight and sunshine the best thing for psoriasis.

VVV well yes, but, y'know. Stares. And ever-so-polite queries as to whether or not they or their DC might catch it. GP agrees that this is stress-related flare-up, here is big bucket of aqueous cream, oral tablets effective but not nice, just got to ride it out

minority, I have rarely done anything wrong in my relationship to the point of disrespecting my dp but if I did I would grovel and do anything to make things better and I expect him to do the same.

Good posts onebatmother.

It;s a shame this thread degenerated into sex chat.

Calling Naomi Wolfe a "silly woman" just proves to me that feminism (in general and on mumsnet) has a LONG way to go.

And I doubt Greer would be proud of mumsnet tbh.

ah but waterwitch - how do you know she wasn't the OP????

IS there a word for men hating? I can tell you, alot of that goes on around here!

i gave a horse an erection once - i was only tickling his chin - i was mortified , it was huge - i mean HUGE

LEM: the word is 'misandry'.

1. sorry about your psoriasis, z. Personally I'd cover it up but bare it in the back garden (if you have one)

1. I wouldn't want Greer to be proud of mn. She's irksome.

1. I am aware of the hugeness and I am trying to forget

awww Kerry i would have thought that would have been not enough

Madamez, i'd've thought you'd not be the sort to be bothered - you seem quite happy in your own skin - pardon the pun.

Aqueous cream is shit stuff and can aggravate some skin conditions. Please - dont use it. Slough off and use diprobase, aveeno or similar.

Not sure why you would call 'fanjo shaving' and exchanging sex for gifts ect misogyny

I don't rate feminism. HTH

VVV: I am generally happy with my own self: the psoriasis outbreak is recent (have had a little bit of a problem with it for about 10 years but it has just exploded in the past fortnight). I haven't yet come to terms with the fact that I look pretty gross or at least would look pretty gross if I didn't cover my legs and arms, where it is worst (can cover the facial marks with make up). There is possibly a whole other good-for-a-fight thread to start on the subject of skin conditions, disfigurement and visible difference, I supppose.