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Should I return to relationship with Ex-DP?

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3LemonsAndLime · 26/10/2024 08:26

I am (nervously!) back for more advice. Last time posting about this issue was a bit challenging, but there was some very helpful perspectives and advice among the responses, so I am returning for further advice.

My first thread is here, for background: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5057874-aibu-to-not-fund-ex-partners-children

Since then, things have moved on a bit. Ex-DP’s ex-wife asked to have the bedroom furniture from the children’s rooms at my house, I assumed to upgrade the furniture at her home or to go to Ex-DP’s new place or storage, depending on his ultimate plans. I agreed and she came to collect it. It turns out she wanted it to sell, with the money going to fund the trip one of their children was going on. I felt a bit funny on hearing that news, but ultimately I wanted the furniture gone and realise with that comes not having a say in how the next person chooses to use it.

I also ended up writing a goodbye card to each of the children with a generous gift voucher in each - one for books (as we shared a love of reading and used to go to bookstores and the library together) and the other for lessons/paraphernalia in the sport they do. I told ex-DP I was going to do this, and gave them to ex-DP’s ex-wife when she came to collect the furniture.

Recently (so about 4 months after all this), I was watching my nieces play sport for their school team with my sister and ex-DP was there watching one DC also play (different teams, different ages, they don’t usually play at the same time, this was an unusual schedule change). We had a mutual sideline, so he came over and spoke to us and we watch the games side by side. At the conclusion of the game his DC came over, said hello and were happy to see me. This was brief, as we all needed to leave and clear the field for the next set of games.

Since then, I ran into Ex-DP again at a mutual friend’s birthday drinks, and we chatted. He asked me about resuming the relationship, or to start again by dating and seeing how things go. He says it could be like the first 2 years, where we didn’t live together and the children didn’t live here, but we dated, spent nights at each others homes, and had weekend and holidays away. His contact with the children would be during his own time, and he says we could look long term at re-introducing things, if we both wanted too, but the important thing would be to focus on us right now and not throw away that, due to some difficult teenage years. He asked to meet for coffee this week to discuss it further.

I’m unsure whether to meet again or what to do. Turning it over in my mind, the idea has some merit. I miss him, and our relationship. It is not easy to find someone you get on with so well, and who can support themselves (yes, I do earn a considerable amount more than him, but he still earns well above a average). However it’s not lost on me that he has not found his own accommodation and is still living with his parents. So I feel like this means whilst any dates or meals or activities ‘out’ would be out and about, any time ‘at home’ (dinners, nights in, weekends etc) would be spent at my home, not his. We have too much history to spend months in the activities ‘out’ dating stage for long, it feels like he would effectively be stealthily moving back in, albeit, spending time back at his parents with the children or when needed.

He absolutely denies this, and says it would be dating, weekends away and only moving at a pace we are both comfortable with. He said he wants to listen to me, and work through it, as we should have done originally.

I’m not sure what to think. I miss him. But the end was so unpleasant, and I’m not sure if he means it, or if this is just softening me up? Or even if what he is suggesting would work or be fair to him and the children.

I’d appreciate thoughts, as I can’t view this very objectively right now.

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OP posts:
CluelessAboutBiology · 27/10/2024 21:15

Daleksatemyshed · 27/10/2024 10:27

Cynical of me but I don't believe he met you by chance, I bet he planned that, it's getting close to Christmas and he has to make his lies a reality. He lived off you, now he's living off his parents or running up massive debts, either way it's his fault for living beyond his means.
Your wise sister has it right, better no man than a user. Don't let him harass you Op, text him then block him

I was also thinking that it was convenient timing for scrounger to bump into lovely generous OP, just before present buying season.

OP, I’m glad you’ve thought it through and decided not to get sucked in again. Tell your sister that she’s great.

RadFs · 25/01/2025 23:58

Daftapath · 26/10/2024 17:11

Op, you sound so lovely (as does your dsis). XP meanwhile, sounds so manipulative.

You did not disadvantage him in any way when he moved in. You gave him the opportunity to save a massive amount of money by not paying £000s in rent per month. It is entirely on him that he decided to spend it and take for granted that the situation would last forever. There is absolutely no reason that you should have, essentially, paid him off just because you chose to end the relationship.

I am so relieved that you have decided to tell him no to meeting. I think him telling people that he is still going away at Christmas is very sinister! He clearly thinks he can talk you round and it's only a matter of time before you learn your place and normal service resumes with him (the dcs!) back in your house. I'm sure if you think back there will be times that he has manipulated you before into doing something you didn't want to do.

I would consider blocking him now to ensure that he cannot contact you anymore. Maybe check with hosts before accepting invites so you know whether he has been invited too and decline if he has.

You are doing so well op and I wish you all the best. You really do deserve to be with someone who has your back, not just their own.

This!!!! Everyone saying on the last thread that exp was disadvantaged and if roles were reversed. He asnt disadvantaged you had actually given him the opportunity to save a lot of money which he chose not to as you are his cash cow. @3LemonsAndLime ive been thinking of you for months luckily can e across your user name and could the find this new post. How have you been?

NeedToAskPlease · 30/03/2025 20:23

@3LemonsAndLime l know 6 months have passed but how are you?

3LemonsAndLime · 20/04/2025 08:02

It’s nice of you to remember me @NeedToAskPlease and @RadFsI recently read a thread similar to mine, and felt like I was having flashbacks from it. I then got the notification of the new post on this post. I hesitated abit about responding, as I wasn’t sure if I wanted to open all this up again, but people were very supportive with their time and advice when I needed it, so I thought I ‘owed’ it to update, even if I perhaps don’t come out of it very well.

So generally, in the short term after those posts, whilst the advice might have been a bit tongue-in-cheek, I took @OnGoldenPond ’s advice and I did buy a slow cooker, and figured out how to use the auto timers on my lights and heating (it was already installed, but ex-DP did more of the techy stuff in the house, so I had to sit down and download the app, watch a YouTube tutorial etc to work it out). These made a bit of a difference, to come home to a warm, welcoming house with the small of dinner, although, of course, it doesn’t replace a person.

After that, I was getting on with things, and the rush into Christmas is always a double edged sword of being helpful but nostalgic - I was busy with work, and spare time spent gift buying and Christmas drinks/events, but also it was more noticeable that I wasn’t decorating the house for or with other people and conscious I wasn’t buying gifts and stocking stuffers for ex-DP and his children, among the other gifts. But I just nailed a smile on my face and got on with it. Even now, that’s a bit how I feel.

But I suppose the interesting part you all might care to know, is that my family usually go away for a 2 week holiday around C’mas/end of year. I think I may have alluded to it before, but essentially I actually have another sister, and she and her family are currently living abroad. Ever since she went, we have always done this holiday as a family to a point between her and us. We get a private place for the whole family but near/adjoined to resorts. Think like a skiing holiday in Europe where we stay in our own chalet, or a villa in Bali or in the Whitsunday Islands. So separate and private accomodation for the family, but very close and interacting with others on the resort/island/ski fields as well, and lost two of physical activity for everyone on hand. I pay for the accomodation and everything for my parents, and my sisters just pay for their families flights. We always go to the same place (because we are boring?) and Ex-DP has been on a few of these trips, however his children have not, not because of any reason but scheduling, in the past they have been unavailable having Christmas with their mother and her side of the family, or going on a holiday with their Mum.

In any case, this time around, due to different school start/end dates, we adjusted the booking slightly to be 2 weeks earlier. This must have been done after breaking up with ex-DP, although I don’t recall exactly when. My parents and I can be very flexible with dates, so normally my two sisters consult about the different school dates and then let us know. Anyway, we had the holiday as planned, and it was lovely. Then on the second last day, ExDP turned up at the door of our place with his children. We were all having a drink and crudities after a big day, and deciding whether to go out to eat or eat in (we do this little ritual every night there and decide, Ex-DP would have known and known we were there then). My DF answered the door and ex-DP said he had seen BIL earlier and it was a surprise and that he must stop in for a drink and say hello. My DF is a very polite man assumed from this wording BIL had seen him, spoken to him and invited him for a drink, and he just didn’t know, so he invited him in. Ex-DP came in, greeted everyone, had the children greeting everyone and just…..stayed. In hindsight it was farcical. I eventually pulled aside DF and asked what on earth? And he said ask BIL, he invited him. So I then had to corner one BIL, who said “absolutely not” and then the other (who has only met him three times!) and he had no idea, and meanwhile my sisters and DM are carrying conversation thinking I must have engineered this, and then this turned to ordered dinner in, and all this food arrived and they are suddenly eating with us around the table. DSis (the one who lives near me) then cornered me were putting the food out and setting the table and asked WTF and I told her the same, so she then politely asked him what he was doing here (very nicely) and then his line about seeing DBIL came out, but he meant seeing from a distance on this, his very first day here, and that after seeing him he realised we were here usual that he should say hello, so he decided to do so. He then said how he’d forgotten we booked here for this 2 weeks every year, but he was here with the kids and, we must do more together. At that point DSis said ‘no, we leave tomorrow’ and it came out about us having booked 2 weeks earlier than usual. Ex-DP just lost all his words and then sputtered what? It turned out he had only booked short term accomodation for him and the children, but flights two weeks later. He denied it, but it was clear he thought he’d somehow ask and be able to stay with us (to be fair, there are lots of rooms), and kind of join the holiday. It was this awful, awful dinner, where the kids (nieces, nephews and his two) are all eating and talking normally, and the adults are just kind of chewing in silence because everyone was thinking WTF? As in, he looked so angry at this information but he couldn’t be angry, because he had no right to be, but he wanted to kind of “test” it, like “when did you decide this?” “Why would you change? You always said these were the best two weeks? You always said you didn’t want to be away for [event]”. And it was in this really weird tone, of like ‘I’m angry, but I’m still trying to be jovial’. It was just so, so awkward, and at this stage, at least some of my family members thought he was here because I wanted him to be, so they were still trying to be welcoming.

After dinner, if we have stayed in, we usually play board games or watch a film with the kids or sometimes my parents would do that with the kids and my sisters, BILs and I would go out and have a drink somewhere nice. We just decide on each night, depending on if people are tired from skiing/swimming/the day. He knew this from previous stays, and so at the end of dinner was really pushing for us to go out and my parents to mind all the kids. Thankfully my my sister shut this down and then elbowed both BILs to say they all had to pack and no movies/games tonight (so then their kids started to protest), and to hustle him and the kids to the door, and they left. We all then had a WTF moment and sat around re-living the whole afternoon/evening whilst my BILs’s laughingly preened themselves for (unlike Ex-DP) being wonderful son-in-laws, wonderful brother-in-laws (to me) and all round champions.

Ex-DP did come around early the next day (also with the children), I think to see we were really leaving and to talk to me. I won’t bore you with the details as this post is already long enough, but I did, it didn’t go well, my DBIL stepped in and it ended with me saying this behaviour was falling into stalking behaviour and if he contacted me again I would take steps. I think this shocked him, as he didn’t see his behaviour in that light, and did not want any consequences from that.

I have not seen him since. His children have since left the school my nieces are at, and for a good while I avoided anything he might be at. However, it has now been several months and I think everything has calmed down.

I’m still single. Still using my slow cooker and timed lights, and yes (I could only admit it anonymously on Mumsnet) still lonely.

OP posts:
LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 20/04/2025 08:32

What an update! I am sorry you are still lonely but you and your family are awesome. He is such a grifter! You are well shot. Thank you for letting us know

BovrilonToast · 20/04/2025 08:58

Crikey OP. What a bullet you have dodged. FlowersWine

Createausername1970 · 20/04/2025 09:25

Blimey OP!

I give the guy A* for sheer determination, effort and brass neck!

But that was bizarre to say the least. What on earth was going on in his head?

I was previously leaning towards giving it another go, at least just to test the waters and see if he had taken anything on board, but from this update it's fairly clear he hadn't and didn't have any intention too. He was still trying to guilt trip you using the children as leverage.

thepariscrimefiles · 20/04/2025 09:31

OMG what an Olympic level Cheeky Fucker he is! He actually travelled abroad with his kids to gatecrash your family holiday! Well done for standing your ground and what a lucky escape you have had leaving that relationship.

Tameys · 20/04/2025 09:34

I missed your update last October but concurred with the advice given at the time, to avoid.

The Christmas update is worthy of a film that one watches through your fingers, really cringe car crash stuff.

OP, I am so sorry it all had to be so brutal for you and your lovely holiday interrupted, however it definitely at least finalised for you what a grifter he was.

I have no doubt he genuinely liked you, you sound extremely likeable, but unfortunately he eased into a lifestyle he couldn't afford and then decided his children were entitled too.

Money changes people and it is surprisingly common how some people will very quickly mentally believe they are somehow entitled to it too, as if it was theirs, worked for, and their god given right.

His lack of class shone through in not thinking his children needed to be well reared with even a modicum of appreciation towards you.

I have a couple of friends that have very old friends that are now, years later, very very wealthy god mothers to their children. Friends from long before their shares in companies that brought them substantial wealth.

Their god children are models of enormous appreciation and disbelief of some wonderful gifts over the years whilst being acutely aware that they shouldn't expect anything.

For the first 15-20 years of their lives they were normal godmothers, much loved, much sought out for fun and advice, not gifts.
It's called good parenting.

His children and their behaviour were a reflection of him and his enormous entitlement.
I would 100% blame him for his childrens awful behaviour and attitude.
That was who he was at his core, as well as being fun and nice etc.

I am so sorry that you continue to feel lonely.
You are enormously blessed with your family and clearly they love you dearly.
So many don't have family like yours so you are right to take comfort there.

You have a lovely writing style, have you ever thought of writing a memoir of your entire life that brought you to this point?
Your career and life experiences.
It can be a very cathartic experience.

Wishing you a really happy Easter.

Mumofteenandtween · 20/04/2025 09:45

Op - please tell me you know that this is all quite funny right? The fact that he has flown to Bali (or wherever) in the hope of staying in 17 bedroom luxury with his ex (who split up with him 8 months before) and then it turned out they changed the dates and are going home! I know it is your life and it was undoubtedly rather upsetting at the time but it is rather amusing.

Tameys · 20/04/2025 09:51

Oh and OP, I for one would love to read the details of the conversation you had with him that necessitated your BIL's running him off, should you wish to share.

S0j0urn4r · 20/04/2025 09:51

He really wasn't happy that you shut the bank.
Well done for standing your ground.
Any man that will put his children through that Christmas fiasco isn't worth your time.

3LemonsAndLime · 20/04/2025 10:07

Mumofteenandtween · 20/04/2025 09:45

Op - please tell me you know that this is all quite funny right? The fact that he has flown to Bali (or wherever) in the hope of staying in 17 bedroom luxury with his ex (who split up with him 8 months before) and then it turned out they changed the dates and are going home! I know it is your life and it was undoubtedly rather upsetting at the time but it is rather amusing.

Several months on now (and many steps back from it!) I can now appreciate the farcical, funny side to it, but it has taken a while. I couldn’t have posted this back in Jan or Feb - it was all very raw. We are a very loving, normal family with no dramatics, so this has become a bit of a family joke. As in, my sister might show us a new throw pillow and say ‘the patterns a bit crazy, but I think I like it’ and then there will be a pause and my BIL or DF will say “well it’s crazy, but not fly-to-Bali/Whistler-crazy”. And my dear little nephew promised to marry me when he gets old enough, so there is that, I guess :)

But it was so genuinely surreal. Thank goodness we changed our holiday dates! I think it would have been incredibly difficult if we were there for the original 2 weeks. I’m sure there would have been some (fake) crisis that lost them their accomodation, and he would have lent on my very kind DF or DM to extend an invite of the accomodation ‘as family friends’…….I can see it all unfolding. It was very clever, actually, and really made the scales drop from my eyes as to him being after the money/lifestyle rather than me. Another slightly sore point for me, and one that will probably take longer to get over.

OP posts:
Tameys · 20/04/2025 10:13

I think the fact you moved dates was your gut knowing what was what about him, before you were fully able to admit it.

The nosey bat in me would love to know how he sorted it out at that time of year.

He spectacularly underestimated you.
It was many months after you split and he still thought it a viable plan.

Talk about delusional.

Candles88 · 20/04/2025 10:22

I have just read both posts OP, you sound like a wonderful, kind person, and thank goodness for your family! They sound like a bunch of heroes.

I must admit my jaw dropped when you updated about the holiday. He sounds absolutely insane, and his poor children.. I am not suprised there were issues with their behaviour given the example he sets and the lack of stability he has given them.

I hope your next update is that you either meet someone who deserves you, or have some wonderful luck in another way.

Duh · 20/04/2025 10:55

Wow, thanks for updating OP. The brass neck of the guy.

S0j0urn4r · 20/04/2025 11:06

Just to add re feeling lonely. Embrace this time to do as you please without having to compromise for anyone. Enjoy yourself.
I found myself alone after 20 years of marriage. It was scary initially. But then I decided to embrace it and built a great life for myself. Eventually I met someone and we've been together 8 years. He's amazing and we're very happy. But I have great memories of being alone, too. It isn't second best to being with someone it's just a different phase of life.

sl0th · 20/04/2025 11:10

Oh my goodness, OP! Reading through the thread, as soon as I saw he'd told people he was still holidaying at Christmas, I had a feeling that might be the stunt he pulled. Thank goodness you had changed the dates!

He might just be one of the cheekiest CFs I've ever read about on here!

IslandsAround · 20/04/2025 11:26

Dear @3LemonsAndLime I’ve read all the posts and your recent update made my jaw drop.

You come across as an incredibly assured and kind woman and the behaviour you experienced from Ex-DP is next level crazy it would be beyond your imagining. I also can’t imagine someone doing that - thank heavens your family were there too.

Kids now having left the school etc - likely meant he was traveling hopefully- expecting to get back together before taking responsibility for his own financial situation. Your sister is a wise person.

It is hard to be lonely for now, but better than Ex-DP as an alternative. Keep open and being yourself. You’re wonderful.

DorothywiththeRedShoes · 20/04/2025 12:50

I have just read both your threads and am so shocked with your update.

I must admit at the beginning I did feel slightly sorry for him but he really did show his true colours!
In a way at least you now have some closure and can see that you did the right thing.

You sound like an amazing person, I'm sorry you are lonely but I have to say I am married and I feel incredibly lonely. You are better being alone than with this man and his ungrateful children.

Good luck @3LemonsAndLime x

Daleksatemyshed · 20/04/2025 12:53

If anyone else had posted this I'd say no you're making it up, but having read your previous posts I half expected something like this. I'm sorry @3LemonsAndLime but at least your Ex finally made you angry enough to shut him down for good.
I presume the day you left he was trying to get you to pay for him to stay on at the accommodation since he'd clearly expected to stay there, free of charge as always.
I know you're lonely but there are other much better men out there and I very much hope you'll find one. Next time please get your wonderful sister to take a long, hard look st the new man, she says little but she obviously sees and understands a great deal

pikkumyy77 · 20/04/2025 13:04

3LemonsAndLime · 26/10/2024 09:11

Thanks for the responses.

To answer questions, @sparepantsandtoothbrush I suppose the comments on the furniture and the vouchers were just loose ends from my previous thread that I thought I would include to tie up. I agree they don’t have anything to do with the question today and I could have left that out.

@FabulousPharmacyst I was happy to give the furniture away - as I said in my previous thread, I bought it specifically for the children, for their own rooms when they moved in (well, EOW). I have no need for it and would have been selling or giving it away anyway. I thought it was win-win - I got the furniture out of the house and the rooms back without the hassle of selling or months of the furniture sitting there making me feel terrible, and they go to keep nice furniture and bedding etc.

I guess with hindsight, I think I could have behaved better at the end. Perhaps by giving him money to re-establish himself or alternatively by making it clearer if we ever split he would be leaving the house I own and need money to finance accommodation/his life. Although I thought this was self explanatory for every person, and I’m not sure how I could have said it without sounding condescending or perhaps even like I was threatening to kick him out. But I accept some blame for this. I’m wondering had I done so, then he may have not been so money focused at the end. And if I am overlooking all his good qualities (hard to find) and just focusing on this.

I realise people are saying they may have thought of me as a cash cow, and I accept and see this. But I didn’t feel like that when we were together. Everything I gave or paid for was because I wanted too and was happy to do so. I’ve thought about it, and that isn’t taken advantage - when I want to pay it - is it? And I can’t not have the money I earn. And I wouldn’t want to sit back and only spend it on myself and not on the partner I had or his DC at appropriate times. As I said in my last thread, I’m not flashy about the money. I do a lot quietly to secure the financial position of family and quietly gift friends in low key ways and am happy to do so. I just didn’t like the idea that someone else had ideas for spending my money. But maybe I wasn’t fair, as he adjusted his spending to his new (lesser) outgoings.

I’m really not sure. But everyone on this thread so far is, which is telling, I suppose.

I think you are looking at thus the wrong way around—its not black or white as in “if you wanted to give then you were not being taken advantage of.”

You can want to give, and enjoy giving, while being manipulated or conned by someone who does not gave your best interests at heart. Your idea that you give freely is not the reality as the con man or seducer gives you something you want in return and can remove that thing as well (praise/sex/affection/contact).

This man gave you a lot that you enjoyed but as soon as you put down an inconvenient boundary he reacted horribly, manipulatively, and he encouraged his children and ex wife to pressure you for money—you continued to try to give monetary gifts and sentiments while they as a family continued to try to monetize the relationship.

Out of a chicken soup I can make a beet borscht but out of a beet borscht I can’t make a chicken soup. What that means is you can’t strip out money and need for money from this relationship now that it has been so badly commingled.

Aria999 · 20/04/2025 13:07

@3LemonsAndLime you sound awesome! I'm glad you have such a lovely family.

Whyherewego · 20/04/2025 13:13

Wow just read all this second thread, I recall the first well enough.

I think you had a lucky escape OP and whilst you may be lonely and I sympathise with that, at least you have a lovely family that has your back.
Best of luck OP

Diarygirlqueen · 20/04/2025 13:15

I have to admit, I was of the opinion you should take it slowly and give him a second chance. How wrong I was!
You sound an intelligent and kind person. I wish you all the best for the future x

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