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9 year old served ‘birthday drinks’ at sleepover

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Calpi · 25/10/2024 10:37

My daughter recently attended a birthday sleepover. The girls are 9 years old which I thought was slightly on the young side so I was a little hesitant but agreed.

I have just seen some pictures and I really am not happy. The girls were given ‘birthday drinks’. They were only squash and obviously no alcohol was used but they were served in actual plastic flutes. The drink was bright pink with fizzy sweets in the glass but I’m not happy.

The mum in question parents very differently. Her 9 year old gets bought VERY expensive skincare products. And her daughter acts like a
full on teen - we’re talking crop tops, Stanley cups, skincare, TikTok dances, eyeshadow etc. I have been in the girl’s bedroom and she has a dressing table completely covered in drunk elephant etc. The mum is into that overconsumption stuff she sees online. Fine, parent how you want but I want my daughter to have a childhood and to not be adultified.

AIBU in thinking this was massively inappropriate? Why couldn’t they have just made milkshakes or smoothies? Or an ice cream sundae?

OP posts:
BananaSplitSandwich · 25/10/2024 15:19

I thought you were about to say the kids had been served Prosecco followed by tequila slammers or something 😂 I would definitely have been on your side then.

This is squash in a plastic glass. You’re being ridiculous.

Have that 🍹

ClearFruit · 25/10/2024 15:21

Fuck me. Unclench, for your kids sake.

Littlemisscapable · 25/10/2024 15:31

BananaSplitSandwich · 25/10/2024 15:19

I thought you were about to say the kids had been served Prosecco followed by tequila slammers or something 😂 I would definitely have been on your side then.

This is squash in a plastic glass. You’re being ridiculous.

Have that 🍹

This honestly calm down..and don't be so judgy. It was just meant as a fun celebration thing.

StarlightLady · 25/10/2024 15:39

Bugling · 25/10/2024 13:46

A little girl might wear a crop top because it hot and also because she’s a little girl and anyone thinking it’s sexual is the one sexualising a child. I wore crop tops in the 80’s when I was 8,9,10 because I was a little child. I didn’t wear them so much as a teen because people like you make girls feel slutty if they do.

I agree. But l think we should avoid terms like “slutty” because it merely reinforces the judgey.

Scarlettpixie · 25/10/2024 15:49

Calpi · 25/10/2024 11:16

Dd has probably had 3 sips of wine in her life - just to try in an attempt to demystify alcohol. She dislikes the taste and pulls a funny face. I see no problem with this.

The mum in my eyes is almost doing the opposite re alcohol. Making it into this massively glamorous thing.

Edited

If anything the mum is glamorising soft drinks though!

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 15:55

Bugling · 25/10/2024 13:46

A little girl might wear a crop top because it hot and also because she’s a little girl and anyone thinking it’s sexual is the one sexualising a child. I wore crop tops in the 80’s when I was 8,9,10 because I was a little child. I didn’t wear them so much as a teen because people like you make girls feel slutty if they do.

I agree completely, I will always help my child to pick clothes which are appropriate for the occasion and flatter her, but I will never tell her to cover her body. If someone is sexualising my child's body, regardless of if she's in a full length long sleeve dress, a bikini, a crop top or anything else, the problem is with THEM, not with her.

NiftyKoala · 25/10/2024 16:17

Openly admitting you gave a 9 year old sips of wine you have zero room to talk. It's illegal as well. Instead of ridiculously judging a perfectly fine mocktail think about how this mum and 99.9 other mums would be horrified at what you have done.

HeyManIJustWantSomeMuesli · 25/10/2024 16:21

‘Birthday drinks’ are just drinks you have at your or someone else’s birthday celebration. If you are 39 that likely does mean wine/beer/cocktails. When you are 9 it’ll be something that’s probably fizzy and probably bright. I wouldn’t associate a pink drink with sweets in it 🤮 as particularly adult!
I think you are seeing something that isn’t there because you do not approve of the parenting generally.

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 16:21

NiftyKoala · 25/10/2024 16:17

Openly admitting you gave a 9 year old sips of wine you have zero room to talk. It's illegal as well. Instead of ridiculously judging a perfectly fine mocktail think about how this mum and 99.9 other mums would be horrified at what you have done.

No it's not. It's legal to give children alcohol in their own home from aged 5.

I've never met anyone outside of this batshit forum that would be "horrified" at allowing a child to try a sip of wine, the vast majority have done it themselves and maybe even let them have a snowball or a bucks fizz at Christmas at not much older than OP's child.

Suggesting that a sip of wine is some sort of child abuse is almost as bad as suggesting that a mocktail is an incitement to alcoholism.

harveyGaskellsMoll · 25/10/2024 16:28

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/10/2024 11:01

You're giving your 9 year old "sips" of alcohol but have a problem with squash in a fancy glass? Are you on glue? This sounds more like jealousy that the child is spoilt with expensive things. I wouldn't dream of giving my kids alcohol at that age.

OP IS on glue…

It all started when was given a pritt stick to do crafts at a birthday party when she was 9.

I can kind of see where you are coming from OP. I used to have a cider ice lolly from the ice cream van, I just left rehab for the third time. I thought I’d cracked it the second time but it was summer and a hot day so when I heard the jingle I couldn’t resist 😔.

SleepwalkingInTesco · 25/10/2024 16:30

My mum had a flair bartending station at one of my birthdays - maybe 10th or 11th. All with fizzy drinks and syrups and umbrellas in different combinations. We loved it.

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 16:31

REP22 · 25/10/2024 12:29

I am going to get a complete pasting, which I understand, but I agree with you @Calpi. The normalising of alcohol from such a young age and the dismissal and laughing reactions to your concerns are typical of why this is a problem.

Would the reactions on this thread be the same if the birthday pictures had been of the little girls holding rolled-up banknotes or straws to their nostrils, posing and pretending to snort lines of strawberry Nesquik, I wonder? Because alcohol, whilst not being illegal, is still a powerful and destructive drug. Possibly worse, because it is acceptable, 'fun' and creeps up on us in an insidious way.

Alcohol does make us have more fun, lots of times. Until it doesn't. And so, by definition, the ones having the most drink should be having the most fun, shouldn't they? - But look at the average city centre high street at 3am on a Sunday. People stumbling about, puking and p-ss-ng in doorways in states of undress, getting into fights with bouncers and rozzers and their mates trying to haul them away, girls sobbing after pointless arguments looking for a lift home that may or may not be in a registered taxi. Most people can enjoy a few drinks and then stop. Brilliant. But the actual facts of the harm caused by drinking, the burden to society, the NHS and the despair and broken relationships that lie behind the sparkly gateway are grim and getting worse. I know someone who was screamed at for saying "no thanks" to a cocktail at a birthday party, with everyone else piling on and telling them they were 'no fun', 'hysterical' and 'they'd ruined the party for everyone'. It was a party to celebrate a 3 year old's birthday.

The MN Health section has an Alcohol Support category. That runs to nearly 39 pages of individual threads - around 1,950 separate threads asking for help and advice with problem drinking. The category for all other addictions combined (gambling, junk food, shopping, drugs, plus others) runs to only 12 pages of individual threads. That's no coincidence.

Normalising drinking for small children - and pouring mockery, derision and unkindness on people like the OP here who are brave enough to voice a concern - is problematic and very sad to see.

I doubt anyone will look at this. But I share it here anyway. The reality of the end | Mumsnet. We all start with one single sip.

You can hate me and laugh at me for posting what I have said. That's OK. I won't ever hate you back.

And I completely get what you are saying. And thank you for that link.

The OP however also gives her daughter sips of wine to dismistify it, which I don't agree with.

Drink squash out of a plastic flute compared to giving her actual wine seems less problematic to me

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 16:32

harveyGaskellsMoll · 25/10/2024 16:28

OP IS on glue…

It all started when was given a pritt stick to do crafts at a birthday party when she was 9.

I can kind of see where you are coming from OP. I used to have a cider ice lolly from the ice cream van, I just left rehab for the third time. I thought I’d cracked it the second time but it was summer and a hot day so when I heard the jingle I couldn’t resist 😔.

Top Deck shandy was my drink of choice.

Thankfully discontinued and nothing else could ever replace it so it was cold turkey for me.

dermalermalurd · 25/10/2024 16:38

Orrinocc0 · 25/10/2024 10:41

Christ Almighty, it's going to be a long few years for you OP

😂 this, all day long! 😂

NiftyKoala · 25/10/2024 17:14

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 16:21

No it's not. It's legal to give children alcohol in their own home from aged 5.

I've never met anyone outside of this batshit forum that would be "horrified" at allowing a child to try a sip of wine, the vast majority have done it themselves and maybe even let them have a snowball or a bucks fizz at Christmas at not much older than OP's child.

Suggesting that a sip of wine is some sort of child abuse is almost as bad as suggesting that a mocktail is an incitement to alcoholism.

That's your opinion. Have a great day.

Cuppasy · 25/10/2024 17:23

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 11:16

Anyone else confused by this?

Thinks 9 is too young for a sleepover and to be given squash in a plastic flute

But sips of wine for a 9 year old is acceptable?

Surely giving alcohol is the problem, not squash in a plastic glass?!

Completely agree.
Pot and kettle comes to mind!

Chipsahoy · 25/10/2024 17:29

My kids had this on Halloween wine glasses every year. It’s not a gateway to alcohol ffs. My older teen is 16 and I have alcohol he’s allowed, he never drinks it. Don’t see the issue here at all. Also my kids never went to sleep overs. My only strict rule.

Normallynumb · 25/10/2024 17:37

If you're worried about a drink in a wine glass at 9, when you've already admitted to giving her sips of actual alcohol then I suggest you lighten up before the teen years
Do you think DD will be influenced by her friends choice of skincare?

CoffeeWithMyOxygen · 25/10/2024 17:40

Calpi · 25/10/2024 11:16

Dd has probably had 3 sips of wine in her life - just to try in an attempt to demystify alcohol. She dislikes the taste and pulls a funny face. I see no problem with this.

The mum in my eyes is almost doing the opposite re alcohol. Making it into this massively glamorous thing.

Edited

But the only one insisting that fancy cup = alcohol is you? The other mum is not the problem here.

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 18:08

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 16:21

No it's not. It's legal to give children alcohol in their own home from aged 5.

I've never met anyone outside of this batshit forum that would be "horrified" at allowing a child to try a sip of wine, the vast majority have done it themselves and maybe even let them have a snowball or a bucks fizz at Christmas at not much older than OP's child.

Suggesting that a sip of wine is some sort of child abuse is almost as bad as suggesting that a mocktail is an incitement to alcoholism.

I'm not horrified that she gives her daughter sips of wine, more surprised that she thinks this is ok but that a soft drink in a plastic flute is going turn her daughter into a raging alcoholic.

She says she gives her wine to demisting drinking for her 9 year old.

What's she going to do to demystify smoking, vapes and drugs?!

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 18:20

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 18:08

I'm not horrified that she gives her daughter sips of wine, more surprised that she thinks this is ok but that a soft drink in a plastic flute is going turn her daughter into a raging alcoholic.

She says she gives her wine to demisting drinking for her 9 year old.

What's she going to do to demystify smoking, vapes and drugs?!

PPs acting outraged at one very minor, normal thing doesn't cancel out OP's outrage at another very minor, normal thing.

OP giving 9 yo an occasional sip of wine is fine.
9 yo having a mocktail at a birthday party is also fine.

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 18:21

NiftyKoala · 25/10/2024 17:14

That's your opinion. Have a great day.

Unfortunately, my opinion has no influence on what the law is.

It is not illegal to give your 9 yo wine.

MoonWoman69 · 25/10/2024 18:22

Good God, fill your life with stress of a different kind! Don't you want your daughter to enjoy herself? She's 9!!! Fun sponge!

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 18:23

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 18:20

PPs acting outraged at one very minor, normal thing doesn't cancel out OP's outrage at another very minor, normal thing.

OP giving 9 yo an occasional sip of wine is fine.
9 yo having a mocktail at a birthday party is also fine.

But again, I'm neither outraged or horrified or whatever word you want to choose.

As I said it's surprising that the OP is outraged and horrified over a soft drink in a plastic flute but thinks regular sips of alcohol are ok because she thinks this will mean her 9 year old will never drink. We all know it doesn't work like that.

There's either a lot of alcohol or alcoholics in the OPs life or she really hates the school Mom because she felt the need to bring up everything that she believes is wrong and inappropriate

YellowphantGrey · 25/10/2024 18:25

MrsSunshine2b · 25/10/2024 18:21

Unfortunately, my opinion has no influence on what the law is.

It is not illegal to give your 9 yo wine.

And I highly suspect if the 9 year old had been given a sip of wine at the party, OP also would have hit the roof over that