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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

487 replies

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

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phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2024 09:25

BlastedPimples · 22/10/2024 09:18

@phoenixrosehere but to say she can't believe a woman would do this to another woman trivialises the ow's behaviour too. All are awful people in this case.

I disagree.

Cheating is wrong, but it is nowhere near that to a woman choosing to post nude photos of another woman due to an affair over a decade ago onto an escort site of all places, post it on the woman’s husband’s business site and send abusive messages to the woman’s daughter.

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:25

But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now

What is tiresome is the expectation that the person wronged in these situations just slinks off quietly never to be seen again. God forbid people who have been on the receiving end.of cheating should have a voice.

Bitter is a word used to silence women. Particularly, and ironically, on mumsnet.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 22/10/2024 09:26

AGoingConcern · 22/10/2024 08:59

People wonder why sex crimes are so hard to prosecute.

Here’s a thread full of women looking at the victim of a sex crime and a good chunk are saying “well she probably deserved it for it for being the wrong kind of slut a decade before.”

She was asking for it.
Well I bet she learned not to go sleeping around anymore.
It wouldn’t have happened it’s she was more respectable.

Absolutely despicable.

Completely agree

RambleRedux · 22/10/2024 09:26

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Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:26

User19876536484 · 22/10/2024 09:19

Her actions have shown that she is!

How on earth is she a risk to others.

A custodial service is absolutely batshit. I hope they appeal her sentence.

SanctuaryCity · 22/10/2024 09:26

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:15

What she did was wrong, obviously. That said a custodial sentence, why?! She isn't a threat or risk to anyone.

Our judicial system is fucked. They are releasing criminals early yet lock up someone like this? Community service would surely have sufficed.

In what way is she not a threat to people when her entire campaign was exactly that.

She clearly is a risk to this woman and her family. She is utterly unrepentant about what she did and undertook a long and calculated campaign against them including the partner and daughter of the woman.

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:28

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 08:36

Revenge is fair game, actions have consequences and she should get what she deserves. Got to be better than that though as that one obviously backfired.

Ok, so twenty odd years ago the ow had an affair, and a reasonable revenge, in your opinion, is to share the naked photos on a public platform, harass the ow's child and husband causing them stress and trying to damage the family business.

So what revenge should the adult daughter and husband take on Eleanor? I'm guessing the punishment she gets is adequate for the OW's revenge but perhaps the husband can arrange for Eleanor to be photographed naked in the shower and he can post these online? Perhaps the daughter can arrange for her to be beat up? Actions have consequences after all

Chickenspeckandcluckaroud · 22/10/2024 09:28

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:26

How on earth is she a risk to others.

A custodial service is absolutely batshit. I hope they appeal her sentence.

She is an unremorseful sex offender. She poses the risk of further sex offences, obviously.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 22/10/2024 09:30

She also sent abusive messages to the OWs daughter.

So to someone in exactly the same position as her, ie a child whose parent cheated on their other parent?

I'm sure she'd have taken it well if that daughter had sent her abusive messages 🙄

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:30

'Seems pretty fair all said and done'

Yes absolutely very fair, release domestic abusers early, give men community hours for far worse crimes <as posted upthread> yet give this women a massive custodial sentence for sharing nudes online of an ow without consent Confused.

Bumcake · 22/10/2024 09:32

Sethera · 22/10/2024 05:30

According to the article, the phone number posted on the escort site belonged to the OW's husband (innocent party) and she also send a long, threatening message to the OW's daughter (innocent party) so I don't have much sympathy for her.

I didn’t realise that the OW’s husband was a pimp! Or do you mean the phone number was his, not the site?

Everyone involved sounds dreadful. The mother who forgave her cheating partner and then spent a dozen years winding up her daughters about it might well be the worst of the bunch.

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 09:32

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:28

Ok, so twenty odd years ago the ow had an affair, and a reasonable revenge, in your opinion, is to share the naked photos on a public platform, harass the ow's child and husband causing them stress and trying to damage the family business.

So what revenge should the adult daughter and husband take on Eleanor? I'm guessing the punishment she gets is adequate for the OW's revenge but perhaps the husband can arrange for Eleanor to be photographed naked in the shower and he can post these online? Perhaps the daughter can arrange for her to be beat up? Actions have consequences after all

No I don't agree with it, silly type of revenge and it backfired. But yes there should be consequences to this sort of behaviour.

RambleRedux · 22/10/2024 09:32

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Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:32

Chickenspeckandcluckaroud · 22/10/2024 09:28

She is an unremorseful sex offender. She poses the risk of further sex offences, obviously.

She shared the ow's nudes online. She shouldn't have, it was wrong.

Community hours wouldve sufficed. we all know it.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/10/2024 09:33

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:25

But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now

What is tiresome is the expectation that the person wronged in these situations just slinks off quietly never to be seen again. God forbid people who have been on the receiving end.of cheating should have a voice.

Bitter is a word used to silence women. Particularly, and ironically, on mumsnet.

And If the wife of the cheating man had posted the photos (and name and contact details) to an escort website, your point about wronged women may be valid.

But it wasn’t the wronged woman who acted so maliciously. It was the daughter of the wronged woman who, frankly, should never haven been dragged into her parents’ marriage or her father’s cheating.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 22/10/2024 09:33

@Bumcake he wasn't a pimp. This woman posted his phone number on the website along with the OW's pictures.

phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2024 09:33

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:30

'Seems pretty fair all said and done'

Yes absolutely very fair, release domestic abusers early, give men community hours for far worse crimes <as posted upthread> yet give this women a massive custodial sentence for sharing nudes online of an ow without consent Confused.

On an escort site, opening her up to possible SAs, tried to ruin her husband’s business, and sent abusive messages to the daughter, and only changed her plea to victimise the OW and her family.

Not just sharing photos. 🙄

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 09:34

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:32

She shared the ow's nudes online. She shouldn't have, it was wrong.

Community hours wouldve sufficed. we all know it.

I don't agree at all. Revenge porn needs harsh sentencing whoever is doing it. Community hours never suffice for sex crimes.

chickenlettuceunderbacon · 22/10/2024 09:34

No, of course it's not ok.

Ignoring the obvious that sharing others' nude photographs without their consent is appalling, not to mention illegal, all it does is reinforce the fallacy that it's always the OW's fault/that the poor, innocent man/husband is the victim and ambushed/forced into an affair. Men aren't bystanders in their affairs, they're active participants. It's about time they were held to account rather than blame the woman/affair partner.

ChampaignSupernova · 22/10/2024 09:34

No this is not OK. It's illegal and she has rightly been sent to prison for it. I'm shocked her now ex police officer sister egged her on knowing it was an offence.

Affairs destroy lives and cause trauma but that doesn't give victims a green light to commit crime.

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:34

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 09:32

No I don't agree with it, silly type of revenge and it backfired. But yes there should be consequences to this sort of behaviour.

So what revenge would you have done? What's a good revenge for an affair 20 years ago?

Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 09:35

Bumcake · 22/10/2024 09:32

I didn’t realise that the OW’s husband was a pimp! Or do you mean the phone number was his, not the site?

Everyone involved sounds dreadful. The mother who forgave her cheating partner and then spent a dozen years winding up her daughters about it might well be the worst of the bunch.

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"Or do you mean the phone number was his, not the site?"

Correct. Essentially, she put up naked photos of this woman on an escorting website and gave the telephone number of the husband as the contact number

SanctuaryCity · 22/10/2024 09:36

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:25

But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now

What is tiresome is the expectation that the person wronged in these situations just slinks off quietly never to be seen again. God forbid people who have been on the receiving end.of cheating should have a voice.

Bitter is a word used to silence women. Particularly, and ironically, on mumsnet.

Yes. We do expect women not to break the law by undertaking a sustained campaign of harassment against a family.

I get that some women on mumsnet seem to think that adultery is the worst crime but it is not illegal. The word bitter is a perfect description for many people on here. He slept with someone else - get over it. Leave if that is a red line for you but don’t allow your toxicity to ruin your kids lives like this family.

Lubilu02 · 22/10/2024 09:36

I actually feel sorry for this girl getting dragged into her parents mess.
Young/teenage years are also very formative years and this clearly had a huge impact on her. I blame the Mums reaction to it, I believe that's where the anger and resentment may have stemmed from, I expect she was very bitter about it and vented far too much to her children.
I think this sentence was overly harsh given the history and how young she would have been seeing it all kick off between her parents. The girl needs therapy to talk through it all, not a massive prison sentence.

Figgygal · 22/10/2024 09:38

Everyone of them should be embarrassed
Awful behaviour all round.
Only people I have any sympathy for would be the husband and daughter of the ow