To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

Oh and I’ll add for fairness that the Republicans have also had many opportunities to codify anti abortion laws at a Federal level and haven’t… for the same reason. It’s an easy voting issue on their side and energizes their base.

Have you heard of the term 'Sentenced for life without parole'?

This means certain types of heinous murderers are never released.

saltinesandcoffeecups · Today 01:59

Hm, so illegal in13 states and good luck if you go past 6 weeks in Iowa, Florida etc. And heaven help you if you travel out of state in some cases. Or have an ectopic pregnancy etc.

This...

@roaringmouse

I don't want for any woman to die because she can't get access to a legal abortion. But neither do I want an unborn baby to die because a woman needs an abortion.

In which case the question is which of those do you want least?

You need to prioritise either the woman (or girl, in some cases) or the foetus.

Which do you think the legal system should give more rights to?

@saltinesandcoffeecups

Trump is actually pro choice and has said he has no interest and will not sign any legislation banning abortion at at a federal level.

He said recently "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have an abortion.

He said that out loud, on air, on the record.

And you believe he is pro choice?

This is total rubbish! Honestly how low can you go … very low it would seem.
America could do with Obama again, the world respected an American leader who was highly intelligent, balanced, charismatic, statesmanlike, an actual adult, as opposed to a screaming orange toddler.

The very fact he would “ solve” the war in Ukraine by giving in to Putin is terrifying, who would be next?

@awaynboilyurheid

Honestly, save you effort on this one. When a poster's this deep into suckling out of the arsehole of 4chan, they're either a troll or there's no point.

But you can't have it both ways. When it comes to abortion, you always have to choose between the life that is here now - a woman, one with people around her, one who quite possibly already has living children - and one that is not here yet. Allowing the living woman to die for a lack of safe legal abortion will have a devastating impact on more than just her.

If you want to reduce the number of abortions - and I do, despite being hardcore pro choice! - then you look at what is being done in countries where the abortion rate is very, very low. And it always comes back to things that religious people don't want to do: provide excellent sex education starting early, provide easy and free or very affordable contraception, make sure there is great provision of support for mothers, make sure childcare is accessible for all. Somehow the religious and the forcer birthers more widely never want to see these proven solutions put in place.

Exactly! These forced birthers only care about the foetus/child while it is in the womb. As soon as it is born, they couldn't give a fuck. These are the people who want even more lenient gun laws and couldn't care less about all the children killed in school shootings. Their right to bear arms trumps (no pun intended) the safety and right to life of children attending school.

They support the death penalty and never forget that Trump called for the execution of the Central Park 5 who turned out to be innocent.

These are mostly people who say that they are Christians.

The mindsets and value systems of Trump supporters and Kamala supporters are so different that there can never be any common ground. Both sets of supporters see this as a battle of good versus evil, obviously with different opinions of which side is good and which side is evil.

I think Trump will win by a large margin.
The mainstream media is desperate to 'big up' Harris, but she just doesn't have what it takes. There is no X factor. This combined with the fact she is a black female and she is destined to fail.
I fear the next 4 years and what a Trump presidency will mean for the world.

@Menopausalsourpuss
I think the contempt you show towards transgenderism is worthy of rudeness.

And trying to frame a belief that institutional racism exists as 'elitist' is pretty grotesque.

She 'has what it takes' to rise from an ordinary background to become VP - but she doesn't 'have what it takes to be President'? She clearly has brains, grit, drive, political nous. What else does she need? Look back over the last 10 presidents. What did they have that she doesn't have, other than a penis?

CNN senior political commentator Van Jones says former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris are being held to different standards in the 2024 presidential race:

"Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are not taking the same exam. He gets to get lawless. She has to be flawless."

There appears to be NO standards as far as Trump.

He can insult and demean people, give them nicknames, swear, grift by selling bibles, sneakers and watches made in China, he can fat shame, he can lie again and again, he can insult the military by calling them suckers and losers, he can mock the disabled, he can admire the worst dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un, cats and dogs, convicted felon, incited an insurrection
I''ve barely scratched the surface...

Just saw a clip from Jake Tapper on social media where two senior Republicans (speaker Michael Johnson and Mitch McConnell) are filmed saying that Harris calling Trump a 'fascist' is wrong and that it might encourage another assassination attempt. In response the commentator played two clips of Trump calling Harris 'A communist, a socialist and a fascist'. 😂

The scariest thing is that even the news outlets that don't openly support Donald Trump, in the US and the UK, report on him as though he is a normal candidate.

A couple of days ago, BBC Newsnight, showed a clip of Kamala Harris saying that she thought Trump was a fascist after she had been shown the footage of General John Kelly saying this and other things such as Trump wanting his generals to be like Hitler's generals. They then asked the guests in the studio for their opinions, and the Tory guest, former Education Minister Michelle Donelan, said that she didn't think it was an appropriate thing for Harris to say.

Newsnight did not show clips from that same day of Donald Trump calling Kamala Harris a 'low IQ individual'. The BBC like the US media holds Harris to an impossibly high standard while giving Trump a pass on his most disgusting and unprofessional behaviour. It's bizarre.

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I think comparing Trump to Hitler is like comparing Hitler to Napoleon or Julius Caesar. Different men, different times. An authoritarian state in the 21 century would look completely different to authoritarian states in the 20th century so worst case scenario's imagining America sliding into a German style fascism are misleading and miss the point. Besides, just because Hitler wanted to be like Caesar, it doesn't mean the rest of the world should have agreed. Many men have thought they were Caesar or Napoleon or Charlemagne. They weren't. I do think if a man keeps comparing himself to Hitler, or Caesar, or Napoleon he should be kept from power (and possibly receive appropriate compassionate care within an institution or the community).

If anything, the story of Julius Caesar should serve as a strong disincentive to those who might get whipped up by the media into thinking assassination is an appropriate political tool.

I don't think that's a particularly insightful post. Swap round Harris for Trump and it could be said by anyone.

The bit that did interest me me though was the last paragraph because I think that the Republican Party should burn themselves to the ground for chosing a repeat sex offender, a criminal and a known enemy of American democracy as their candidate.

I get why the Democrats picked Kamala, she is the Vice President, so it makes sense. I'm 🤯 that Republicans chose Trump.

WTF were they thinking?

Who posted it @scatterolight ?

I am scared for the US, and for the world if he should win.

A Trump win would be awful domestically and globally BUT...

The US has gone to ruin under the CURRENT administration... which Kamala Harris has been vice president of. Why would people elect her to do more of the same, ie, nothing!?

Surely if she's in a position to improve things, she'd be doing it already?

And for those who mentioned the popularity of Farage in the UK, Reform got votes because people wanted to see the back of the Tories but didn't want a Labour govt.
It seems their concerns were justified as Labour under Kier Starmer thus far has been an absolute disaster!

1. The US has not gone to ruin under the current administration
2. I'm not sure you understand the role of the vice president

Totally disagree JumpingThruHoops but I'm sure that won't be a surprise to you.

I could show you a list of Biden Administration accomplishments but, to be honest, I can't see the point.

As for Starmer... come back to me in 14 years and tell me how awful it has all been.

Odd post. I don't think any commentators are suggesting that under Trump America will 'slide into German style fascism'.