To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

On what planet do you imagine that?

I mean most normal human beings don’t admire Hitler.

Or do you?

Let’s not forget that @M@Menopausalsourpuss is also, along with her hitler loving Idol Donald anti women’s rights pro life.

tl;dr

Unsurprising response. Explains a lot.

Those sources are all left of center — it’s no wonder that you think the way you do about American politics. 👍

"Lying incessantly.
Othering immigrants.
Calling people names.
Threatening his opponents.
Threatening to use the military against citizens while simultaneously denigrating the enlisted military.
Admiring Hitler."

You don't know of any other politicians who publicly lie? Or call political opponents names - to take an example calling a portion of an electorate a "basket of deplorables"? Or threatening opponents - how about full on weaponisation of the judiciary - you've never seen that?! Threatening military use against citizens? How about using a trillion dollar war machine against distant civilian populations to funnel money to the military industrial complex.

Oh my. Bless your naive cotton socks you sweet summer child. Only bad nasty orange man would ever dream of this

Isn't it rather weak to invoke Godwins? Usually a sign that you've no actual argument

The types who do are typically despicable individuals in their own right. Putin/Saddam Hussain/Robert Mugabe - those types. We don’t say that it’s ok for them to admire Hitler do we? But the difference is that we know the regimes they are in charge of are morally corrupt. We already seek not to engage with the likes of Russia. But we have a longstanding relationship with the US, and those kinds of views plus the wish to leave NATO etc put that relationship at risk.

I don't. I just think it's either stunning naivety (ignorance) to believe this. Was it Churchill who said the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.

Anyway. I don't vote. It's all a joke anyway. If I was the the US I might consider Trump - not because I like him but because he'll disrupt something far more insidious and evil.

Why don't you name some examples

There is no evidence he actually said that. Though its a fun quote. What he did definitely say was:
"No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’"

Care to name your news sources?

I’m pretty sure publicly admiring Hitler is a crime in many countries… definitely in Germany…. Certainly performing the nazi salute is in several European countries.

I think this should make him immediately unfit for public office in the US- a country that led the defeat of Nazi Germany.

What has this world come to that we’re not able to stand up to this?

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Germany does not like free speech.

Godwin's law really does not apply when the person in question has openly admired Hitler and his generals.

Whoever, someone said it. If they didn't, I'll happily accept credit for it.

Are there absolutely no limits to free speech?

Hitler was very keen on vegetarianism and organic farming. To admire commitment to these principles would make one a Nazi it seems.

You’re being deliberately goadie now.

You absolutely know that admiring Hitler has nothing to do with vegetarianism and everything to do with being a nazi sympathiser.

There are hundreds of millions of vegetarians out there. Living in the here and now, nobody needs to be mentioning one who mercifully topped himself because of the despicable human being he was.

Trump's lies are unprecedented in number, egregiousness and harmfulness. Either you know that and are choosing to ignore it or you're not smart enought to understand why it matters.

This is Hillary Clinton's exact quote. It's not lovely, but in context, it's not wrong.

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”
“Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said.

If they had weaponised the judiciary, those cases would have been brought two years ago and Trump would be sitting in a cell right now.

Threatening military use against citizens? How about using a trillion dollar war machine against distant civilian populations to funnel money to the military industrial complex.

You do understand that I'm talking about using the United States military against United States citizens within their own country, right? Do you need me to explain that more clearly?

You're completely correct, Trump admires Hitler for his plant based diet and Putin because they share a love of Baroque music.

Well I like free speech. I think it's perfectly fine for Donald Trump to publicly admire Hitler. It is not perfectly fine that he should expect to suffer no repercussions for that, one of them being general agreement that he's not fit to be president.

"Just because he isn't to many people's taste on this side of the Atlantic"

He's a fascist.

So why not say 'just because he's a fascist'.

Because that would require you to acknowledge reality rather than framing this is a issue of differences of political 'tastes' instead of ethics.

Possibly because in Germany rampant, uncontrolled hate speech has fairly recently in historical terms created a social and political environment where the mass murder of millions of German citizens was considered tolerable.