To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

His base is enormous and covers swathes of people, most of whom just like him because he’s an alpha male, they felt a bit better off when he was last in and a he’s a wall builder.
The things that concern us about him just aren’t foremost in their minds.

The funny thing is he's not really alpha at all. He's a whiny little bitch. True alphas don't whine and throw temper tantrums like children when they are criticized or don't get their way. He's really massively weak and insecure behind the bluster.

True. If that’s what some people think an alpha male is, then they’ve never met one. He’s like a whiny little boy. It’s embarrassing that anyone looks up to him. If he didn’t have the cloak of money, they would see him for what he really is. Unfortunately too many people think rich people are superhuman. It’s bizarre.

He's an adjudicated rapist. The rape was a historic offence - doesn't make it less of an offence. He's on tape talking about 'grabbing women by the pussy. I don't even ask' which is a clear admission of sexual assault.

He's also been convicted of 34 felony crimes .

Honestly - the irony of any Trump supporter saying 'get your facts right' 😂

This is what I've found. All the things that we think SHOULD stop people voting for Trump, they just don't care about. Trump voters are very vocal on "We knew who he was before you did, and we don't care about it." The base positively revel in it all.

Project 25? They don't deny it exists, they just deny that he's got anything to do with it. It's a stitch up.

There are a few different factions within the base. Some I have sympathy with (without agreeing with any of their Trumpism), and some that I don't.

I'm really, really worried about Trump II. No guardrails whatsoever. In my darkest moments,I believe that if he wins, this could be the last truly democratic Presidential election for a long time.

"it tells you how bad Harris is when he is the better choice for the US".

Trump is the 'better choice' for the US?

By what metric?

Seriously?

1 in 4 Republicans believe in the central Q-anon conspiracy theory that senior Democrats are satan worshipping pedophiles who drink the blood of children.

These are Trump's people.

Please tell us this is a joke.

Bipartisan politicians from Springfield and the Governor of Ohio have condemned this lie.

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He wasn't found liable of rape, but sexual assault. I don't know if he did it, but he was conveniently accused once he became president.

E Jean Carrol made a Police complaint at the time, which went no further. When New York changed the law, so that complaints could be made about historic sex offences, she took advantage of that. You may think that she was a poor witness, but the jury didn't.

I'll take their word, they heard all the testimony live.

If you think that she was a poor witness, what did you think of J Lord Dampnut? An execrable one?

I'm American, so it's possible I know more Americans than you, likely, in fact. And I don't know one single one who isn't sickened by the thought of a second Trump term. It's pretty much the only subject of discussion at the moment.

I think Harris will almost certainly win the popular vote (as did Hillary) but the electoral college vote is very worrying.

Many of the Americans I know are voting for Trump. And yet they've been committed democrats most of their lives.

That's the exact convo I've just had with DH. Trump will lose by a country mile in the popular vote, but I'm extremely worried that he's on course to win the electoral college vote.

I have friends in the US who will vote and some of them are sure he will win.. im not so sure tbh - the swing states will call it. I wish Kamala was a stronger candidate - she's no Obama for sure. The swing states - thats who will win either the election.

I keep hearing about them, but haven't run across even one in real life. I'm sure they're out there, but maybe not in the numbers people seem to think? I do, however, know some moderate Republicans who are Harris all the way. They might agree or disagree with both candidates on things, but nothing will undo January 6 for them.

I this age of Fox News and fake news and the sewer the internet seems to have become, I don't think even Obama would be Obama if that election were held now.

Uk here, if that’s what they think well they too must be bloody brain dead. The shite he comes out with you’d think he’d be embarrassed but no… he is no more capable than Biden, calls him but can’t string a sentence together himself. Behaves like a fucking spoilt brat and stamps his feet when it’s not his way. God help the world.

Surely everyone hopes he doesn't win.....

As someone living in the US, it's pretty terrifying. I'm more worried that Vance will end up as President than I am about Trump though.

But people are all different, and will have differing views. It doesn't mean they're brain dead. Better to try and understand why people choose to vote the way they do than resort to ad hominem attacks. Although both Trump and Harris campaigns resort to similar tactics. Surely it's better to focus on policy than personality in any event. Obama was a charismatic personality, or at least a skilled orator, but it's his contribution to policy that's measurable, and counts more in the end.....

For a democracy to function properly, there needs to be an opposition.

Yes, but as Liz Cheney, who is as diametrically opposed politically to Harris as it's possible to be, points out, both sides need to be functioning in good faith for that to work. And the Republicans no longer do.

I live in the US, in a traditionally republican area. I’ve seen way more Harris/Walz yard signs popping up this year, including neighbours I know have been traditionally Republican in the past. So there is hope.

American elections also include voting on issues at state, county and even town level. So yard signs encouraged vote ‘yes’ or ‘no’ on specific ballot items are also common. These issues can range from healthcare, infrastructure, education, wildlife management etc. What is interesting is that you see signs supporting the republican stance on whatever issue, next to one for Harris for president. So clearly there are people who are torn, or usually republican but who do not want Trump in charge.

I work with the public and there are a significant number of people who are concerned about the aftermath, no matter who wins. Some are the usual conspiracy theorists and doomsday preppers, but others are regular people who are worried about riots, looting etc. The company I work for has increased security until the inauguration. Pretty sure they are not the only company to do so.

Agreed, although I'd go further and say both sides are dysfunctional.

Everyone thought tgey'd get rid of tge Conservatives and Starmer is now PM. But he's already unpopular and I think that Rishi Sunak is more popular. Oddly enough I have voted Lib Dem since the early 70's and I did this time. My husband's proposal for his doctorate in politics was based on the long term effects of tge Thatcher era on the Cobservative party.

Of course I understand why. I just disagree that he is so awful in relation to the alternative and that stops pulled out against him are.nor far more dangerous than the man himself.

Opposition/opponents aren't the same as enemies though. At the moment there seems to be a mindset in America that the other side aren't just political opponents but political enemies. That is absolutely toxic to democracy and civilised discourse. I don't think it's only the Republicans/Trump who are responsible for that but he is definitely not only capitalising on the issue but IMO deliberately worsening it.