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Should he have paid?

174 replies

SpookySN · 20/10/2024 20:29

My boyfriend and I went away for my birthday last weekend. We've only been together for 5 months.

He planned the weekend and requested that I paid half for the two hotels only and said he would pay for everything else. I thought that was generous. I paid half for the hotels.

When we got there, he bought me a pastry for breakfast and then our main meal at an Italian restaurant. It was lovely. He then told me he wasn't paying for anything else because he couldn't afford to. I thought fair enough and proceeded to pay for everything I wanted from then onwards over the two days.

My issue was then seeing how he proceeded to spent his money afterwards. It was a little perplexing. He asked if we could go to a casino and then gambled there. The next day, he gambled on different machines in the arcades or in pubs we went to.

This weekend, when going out with friends, he's gambled again but will be reluctant to go out and do something because he can't afford it.

Perhaps I am being unreasonable to observe this! It's his money after all. I just don't know whether I should be feeling a little pissed off that he prioritises gambling over sticking to his word and paying for things last weekend. Let me know your thoughts.

OP posts:
OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 21/10/2024 13:00

nitpicking ?!!!

you are being abused - sexually and financially

he is fucking lucky you have not been to the police re his photos !

and the only chat you should be having with him is to inform him it is over !

Larrythebloodycat · 21/10/2024 13:23

SpookySN · 21/10/2024 12:43

I will definitely be ending the relationship.

The issue with moving in with him and having a child with him in the future was one I put an end to recently. Told him my DS wellbeing was more important and we were staying put. My son will always come first. He is the most important person in my life.

The reason for hesitancy is because of the amount of things we have planned. Lots of gigs (including this Friday) and a holiday abroad in December. I hate how much I have planned that is tied to him.

Plans can be changed. You can go away with your son or a friend, or on your own. Or you can cut your losses and stay home.

TwistedWonder · 21/10/2024 13:27

Catoo · 21/10/2024 12:55

If you have the gig tickets you can go with a friend instead.

If you booked and paid for the holiday, take a friend instead or cancel his ticket and go with DC. Or just don’t go.

You don’t stay with someone so appalling for gigs and holidays.

I had a holiday booked with an ex that I ended up buying my flight from him and then paying for another for my DS plus I booked an apartment in a different resort.

Most awkward thing was there’s went on the pre booked holiday on his own and we were on same flights but other than a polite nod, managed to avoid each other.

Itsacrazyworldisntit · 21/10/2024 13:45

Time to throw this ‘catch’ back OP.

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/10/2024 13:59

Put this one back where you found it.

Continuing because you've spent money on tickets/holiday is 'sunk cost fallacy' thinking... don't do it! Or rather, stop doing it.

He's a shit, in a variety of ways. He isn't going to stop being a shit because he doesn't want to, doesn't see any reason why he ought to, he is perfectly happy being a shit.

Planesmistakenforstars · 21/10/2024 14:22

Whenever I mention something that is bothering me to this guy, he always downplays it and shuts down. He finds face to face communication incredibly difficult and I end up feeling like I am being horrible to him. It's such a headfuck. It makes me doubt everything I am feeling.

He is abusive. This is emotional abuse. Being with someone who "makes me doubt everything I am feeling" is no way to live. He does not find face-to-face communication difficult though; he just wants you to shut the fuck up and not challenge him. He is doing this on purpose to make you feel this way. Be kind to yourself OP. He has done a number on your self esteem and your mental well being and it is incredibly hard to leave someone like this. But please don't put a gig and a holiday ahead of your own self-worth.

rainbowstardrops · 21/10/2024 16:08

I'd have thought you would have dumped him after he showed the intimate photos of you, let alone leaving you to pay for a lot of your birthday treat, so that he could feed his gambling addiction.
Who gives a hoot if you have gigs and shit booked already, take your son or a friend and ditch this loser!

Ooral · 21/10/2024 16:13

SpookySN · 20/10/2024 20:39

Yup, but I think it's okay to post about a different issue, isn't it? Particularly as I am currently confused about whether I am nitpicking or not. I just need some reassurance before I speak to him tonight.

I think the intention is to show that in 5 months, he has been waving red flags like it's red flag celebration day in China.

Sharing your bits with his mates and prefers gambling to you..... lucky it's only 5 months. It won't get better. BTW, I'm male, and have known blokes that gamble, and it's a terrible life for the wife/gf/family.

TwistedWonder · 21/10/2024 16:17

I know narcissist is an overused word on MN but this does seem to follow the script of lovebomb/idolise followed by degrade/develue - he’s already showing you he’s got no respect for you and he’s pushing the boundaries to see how much humiliation from him you’ll tolerate.

Please don’t doubt yourself - he knows what he’s doing. And don’t hang around for the sake of a gig ticket and a holiday. Walk now and don’t look back

andHelenknowsimmiserablenow · 21/10/2024 16:28

Walk away. Change your locks if he has a key. And tell him that you will not hesitate to report him to the police if he shows anyone else intimate photos of you.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 21/10/2024 17:05

@Ooral

' he has been waving red flags like it's red flag celebration day in China.'

one of the best comments I have read on Mn !

Minimili · 21/10/2024 18:11

I have read all your posts now OP and I think you need to wake up and stop looking for someone to give you a reason to stay with this man - I suspect that’s what you are looking for because if not then why keep posting?

You have been in a long term relationship almost all your adult life and have insecurities so don’t want to be on your own and need the validation from someone else. This is understandable but if you continue with this relationship then you aren’t going to get that validation and instead you will just feed your insecurities, I can see this having the potential to absolutely destroy your life, this isn’t fair on your teenage son is it?

I have been in an abusive relationship, It started when I was 19 and the man was 7 years older then me which sounds like your partners previous relationships, some men like a younger naive woman because they are more likely to fall for the bullshit as they know no better.
My relationship started similar to yours, I had deep insecurities and was suffering with an eating disorder, my ex boyfriend gave me constant compliments and we had great sexual chemistry which blinded me to any red flags.

My ex did similar to your partner, he took me for a break away when we first got together but “forgot his wallet” I ended up paying for that break.
I lost count of the amount of occasions he’d claim to have no money but I’d later see him spending money on fruit machines or he’d buy cigarettes.
I was in college when we met but my ex convinced me to drop out and get a job and move into his house and pay towards his mortgage and bills, he was barely working part time and I ended up working 55 hours a week. Before we had met I’d been desperate to be a travel rep as I wanted to travel more then anything, I got offered my dream job and turned it down to work split shifts in a hotel.

We stayed together for 8 years and in that time I was lied to, cheated on, paid for everything, did all the cooking and cleaning and was treated like absolute shit. The compliments dried up and I had to listen to comments about my weight or my ex would compliment other girls in front of me and compare me, I didn’t even walk away when he hit me.

I knew I deserved better but I was so worn down that I convinced myself into staying and focusing on the (very few) good points in our relationship and having someone to do things with and go on holidays with.

I’d like to tell you I found the self respect and courage to leave him but in the end he left me for a 15 year old girl, I was absolutely devastated and had been under my exs control so long that it took years to be able to function properly, I wasn’t used to thinking for myself and I had to live with my parents for a few months, I wasn’t even allowed a mobile phone and had to hand my wages over every month with my ex, he even chose my clothes, it took a long time to be able to make my own decisions without wanting to ask for permission.

After this relationship ended I should have had time alone and worked on myself but I jumped into other relationships straight away, I still had no self respect and inevitably they were bad relationships where I was treated like shit, occasionally I’d meet nice men but I was out of my comfort zone being treated with kindness and respect so they never lasted.

When I hit 30 I decided enough was enough and resigned myself to being single forever, I gave up on relationships completely and decided to focus on myself, a month later I met my current partner and fancied him like crazy but refused to jump into a relationship. Normally when I met a man it moved at lightning speed! It wasn’t unusual to be talking about marriage and kids within a few weeks, this time I was so convinced the relationship wouldn’t last that I didn’t jump in feet first.

I dated my current partner and it was long distance to start with so we built up a solid friendship as well as being in a relationship, we would talk for hours on the phone and he was aware of what I’d gone through with previous relationships, he listened to me and treated me with absolute kindness and respect.
I struggled at taking him seriously at first and used to try to push him away, at one point I considered ending the relationship when I started working with a man who was a bastard and treated women like shit, I felt like I was building a connection with him but it was basically seeking out familiarity. Luckily I came to my senses before I fucked things up.

I have been with my partner 10 years now and I finally know what a healthy mutual respectful relationship is like, it’s a true partnership. If I split up with my partner now I’d be horrified to end up in a relationship like yours, once upon a time it was the norm though.

OP you know that this man is no good for you, you didn’t need to make these multiple posts, your boyfriend might try to convince you otherwise but that’s just what you want to hear, on one of your posts you wrote you were “very happy together” are you actually happy or do you just wish you were?

It’s easy to fall into the trap of wanting things to get better so talking yourself (or letting yourself get talked into) believing that they will. You have been in this relationship such a short time and it’s already clear that you aren’t being treated very well, do you think things are going to improve? People are usually on their best behaviour at the start of a relationship, if this is your boyfriend’s best behaviour then I’d hate to see what he’s like when he stops trying as hard! Either that or he hadn’t bothered going to any effort to try to impress you.

The post you made with the photos taken without your consent is disturbing, the fact that you seem to have just accepted that and then still posted about other issues shows that you aren’t taking this as seriously as you should. This was a serious breach of trust and absolutely shameful behaviour, if you continue to settle for this and just accept it then you are opening the door to allow for worse behaviour.

You can keep trying to kid yourself, keep accepting being treated like dirt and accept the excuses but soon people in your life will get frustrated and angry with you for putting up with it, your son will resent you for letting yourself get treated like this and it’s a terrible example for him to see. If you carry on in this relationship you’ll have to shut up and put up because you’ve been given good advice and told to leave this man, if you ignore it then I’m sorry but it’s going to be on you if you continue to be treated badly. I know this sounds harsh but I think it’s time someone told you straight.

You have been given lots of valuable advice on all your posts and you have had a lot of support, it’s been unanimous that everyone has told you to walk away and that you deserve better, you can choose to listen to that and stop any doubts or you can keep trying to kid yourself.

I think if you can find the strength to walk away now you’ll be proud of yourself in the future for recognising your self worth, it’s not easy to give up on a dream but you are still young and you have plenty of time in the future to be in a relationship, at the moment I think you have a lot of working on yourself to do first.

I hope you take what everyone had said on board and it’d be nice to get an update where you have ended this relationship and made sure those photos are deleted, remember it’s a criminal offence if he threatens to share those images and he can get up to two years in prison for revenge porn.
I wish you the best of luck and I sincerely hope you recognise a bad relationship in future and know your worth, look for other things to make you happy and other ways to define yourself other then being with a man, there are a lot of people on here that have been single for a very long time and are perfectly happy and content with very full rich lives, you aren’t on your own you have a teenager who I’m sure would benefit from being your main focus x

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 21/10/2024 20:16

I’m so glad to hear you’re going to leave him. Please get some help for yourself. You’ve been through a lot and your self confidence has been badly damaged. Mumsnet (or even the internet) didn’t exist back when I was finding the courage to leave a bad relationship. Maybe I’d have done it sooner if I’d been able to have other people reassuring me I deserved better. Do come back and let us know you’re safe. There are some people on this thread who clearly have no understanding of what it’s like to have someone messing with your head like he has. Please ignore them and listen to those of us who are telling you this is not your fault. You deserve so much better.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 22/10/2024 00:55

@Minimili

wow ! I would like to hope / think that the Op actually understands and hears what you wrote.

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 22/10/2024 02:57

Come on OP, are you really this daft? If he's already posted porno pics of you, why on earth are you still with him? Then he prefers to gamble his money away, rather than take care of and treat you for your birthday as promised. Get rid and don't look back. Oh, and work on your self respect before you get involved with anyone else, you're worth much more than this!

BusyMum47 · 22/10/2024 07:00

Justmuddlingalong · 20/10/2024 20:32

He's showing you his desire to gamble outweighs his regard for you. Ignore this red flag at your peril.

This!!!!⬆️

Minimili · 22/10/2024 14:34

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 22/10/2024 00:55

@Minimili

wow ! I would like to hope / think that the Op actually understands and hears what you wrote.

She will only hear it if she wants to unfortunately.

Lononin · 22/10/2024 14:36

All, I can say is don’t date and certainly don’t marry a man who has an issue with gambling. I’d seriously rethink this relationship.

Lickityspit · 24/10/2024 08:59

He’s showing you exactly who he is. Walk away and find a decent man

ElfAndSafetyBored · 24/10/2024 09:03

SpookySN · 20/10/2024 20:39

Yup, but I think it's okay to post about a different issue, isn't it? Particularly as I am currently confused about whether I am nitpicking or not. I just need some reassurance before I speak to him tonight.

You are not nitpicking. Please dump him and tell him exactly why.

Klozza · 24/10/2024 09:14

SpookySN · 20/10/2024 20:39

Yup, but I think it's okay to post about a different issue, isn't it? Particularly as I am currently confused about whether I am nitpicking or not. I just need some reassurance before I speak to him tonight.

It’s fine to post different issues, but there’s not really any point ‘talking to him’ about this stuff, he seems like an absolute asshole. I wasted 4 ywars of my life with someone who spent all their money on gambling and online betting, turns our he had tonnes of debt from it he was hiding which is why he was always broke. Get out now honestly

Klozza · 24/10/2024 09:17

Minimili · 21/10/2024 18:11

I have read all your posts now OP and I think you need to wake up and stop looking for someone to give you a reason to stay with this man - I suspect that’s what you are looking for because if not then why keep posting?

You have been in a long term relationship almost all your adult life and have insecurities so don’t want to be on your own and need the validation from someone else. This is understandable but if you continue with this relationship then you aren’t going to get that validation and instead you will just feed your insecurities, I can see this having the potential to absolutely destroy your life, this isn’t fair on your teenage son is it?

I have been in an abusive relationship, It started when I was 19 and the man was 7 years older then me which sounds like your partners previous relationships, some men like a younger naive woman because they are more likely to fall for the bullshit as they know no better.
My relationship started similar to yours, I had deep insecurities and was suffering with an eating disorder, my ex boyfriend gave me constant compliments and we had great sexual chemistry which blinded me to any red flags.

My ex did similar to your partner, he took me for a break away when we first got together but “forgot his wallet” I ended up paying for that break.
I lost count of the amount of occasions he’d claim to have no money but I’d later see him spending money on fruit machines or he’d buy cigarettes.
I was in college when we met but my ex convinced me to drop out and get a job and move into his house and pay towards his mortgage and bills, he was barely working part time and I ended up working 55 hours a week. Before we had met I’d been desperate to be a travel rep as I wanted to travel more then anything, I got offered my dream job and turned it down to work split shifts in a hotel.

We stayed together for 8 years and in that time I was lied to, cheated on, paid for everything, did all the cooking and cleaning and was treated like absolute shit. The compliments dried up and I had to listen to comments about my weight or my ex would compliment other girls in front of me and compare me, I didn’t even walk away when he hit me.

I knew I deserved better but I was so worn down that I convinced myself into staying and focusing on the (very few) good points in our relationship and having someone to do things with and go on holidays with.

I’d like to tell you I found the self respect and courage to leave him but in the end he left me for a 15 year old girl, I was absolutely devastated and had been under my exs control so long that it took years to be able to function properly, I wasn’t used to thinking for myself and I had to live with my parents for a few months, I wasn’t even allowed a mobile phone and had to hand my wages over every month with my ex, he even chose my clothes, it took a long time to be able to make my own decisions without wanting to ask for permission.

After this relationship ended I should have had time alone and worked on myself but I jumped into other relationships straight away, I still had no self respect and inevitably they were bad relationships where I was treated like shit, occasionally I’d meet nice men but I was out of my comfort zone being treated with kindness and respect so they never lasted.

When I hit 30 I decided enough was enough and resigned myself to being single forever, I gave up on relationships completely and decided to focus on myself, a month later I met my current partner and fancied him like crazy but refused to jump into a relationship. Normally when I met a man it moved at lightning speed! It wasn’t unusual to be talking about marriage and kids within a few weeks, this time I was so convinced the relationship wouldn’t last that I didn’t jump in feet first.

I dated my current partner and it was long distance to start with so we built up a solid friendship as well as being in a relationship, we would talk for hours on the phone and he was aware of what I’d gone through with previous relationships, he listened to me and treated me with absolute kindness and respect.
I struggled at taking him seriously at first and used to try to push him away, at one point I considered ending the relationship when I started working with a man who was a bastard and treated women like shit, I felt like I was building a connection with him but it was basically seeking out familiarity. Luckily I came to my senses before I fucked things up.

I have been with my partner 10 years now and I finally know what a healthy mutual respectful relationship is like, it’s a true partnership. If I split up with my partner now I’d be horrified to end up in a relationship like yours, once upon a time it was the norm though.

OP you know that this man is no good for you, you didn’t need to make these multiple posts, your boyfriend might try to convince you otherwise but that’s just what you want to hear, on one of your posts you wrote you were “very happy together” are you actually happy or do you just wish you were?

It’s easy to fall into the trap of wanting things to get better so talking yourself (or letting yourself get talked into) believing that they will. You have been in this relationship such a short time and it’s already clear that you aren’t being treated very well, do you think things are going to improve? People are usually on their best behaviour at the start of a relationship, if this is your boyfriend’s best behaviour then I’d hate to see what he’s like when he stops trying as hard! Either that or he hadn’t bothered going to any effort to try to impress you.

The post you made with the photos taken without your consent is disturbing, the fact that you seem to have just accepted that and then still posted about other issues shows that you aren’t taking this as seriously as you should. This was a serious breach of trust and absolutely shameful behaviour, if you continue to settle for this and just accept it then you are opening the door to allow for worse behaviour.

You can keep trying to kid yourself, keep accepting being treated like dirt and accept the excuses but soon people in your life will get frustrated and angry with you for putting up with it, your son will resent you for letting yourself get treated like this and it’s a terrible example for him to see. If you carry on in this relationship you’ll have to shut up and put up because you’ve been given good advice and told to leave this man, if you ignore it then I’m sorry but it’s going to be on you if you continue to be treated badly. I know this sounds harsh but I think it’s time someone told you straight.

You have been given lots of valuable advice on all your posts and you have had a lot of support, it’s been unanimous that everyone has told you to walk away and that you deserve better, you can choose to listen to that and stop any doubts or you can keep trying to kid yourself.

I think if you can find the strength to walk away now you’ll be proud of yourself in the future for recognising your self worth, it’s not easy to give up on a dream but you are still young and you have plenty of time in the future to be in a relationship, at the moment I think you have a lot of working on yourself to do first.

I hope you take what everyone had said on board and it’d be nice to get an update where you have ended this relationship and made sure those photos are deleted, remember it’s a criminal offence if he threatens to share those images and he can get up to two years in prison for revenge porn.
I wish you the best of luck and I sincerely hope you recognise a bad relationship in future and know your worth, look for other things to make you happy and other ways to define yourself other then being with a man, there are a lot of people on here that have been single for a very long time and are perfectly happy and content with very full rich lives, you aren’t on your own you have a teenager who I’m sure would benefit from being your main focus x

Please say you reported this absolutely disgusting man for essentially leaving you to persue a relationship with a child. Thats beyond fucked up, I’m so glad you got out.

TinyFlamingo · 24/10/2024 09:25

Lovely, he will steal money from you and your daughter to fund this habit. He will not be a partner to you, you'll be an ATM because you'll pay bills and he'll gamble everything you both have.
If he's so disgusting that he's taking sexual pictures of you, and showing them around, he'll likely show them online too. Your daughter is young and vulnerable if he has this little respect for your body, what makes you think he'll have any respect for hers?
Please, do not do this for her. If you can't muster the self protection for yourself please, muster it for her.
Do not have a baby with this person, do not give your agency to him and move in, and do not make yourself dependant because of where you live and sharing a child. Protect the one you have from this dangerous person.

You are not being "picky" you're used to such low, warped behavior, in a relationship that you don't expect good behavior, which is so sad, the freedom program may help you unpick some of this over time.

Please be careful. You deserve someone spoiling you for your birthday, adding value for your life. Not this. You and your daughter deserves better.

Also looking at these things in isolation is stopping you seeing the whole picture and the calmative effect of this behavior overall.
It's all not good, and please try to separate these things and individual justify they

MOA.

TinyFlamingo · 24/10/2024 09:28

SpookySN · 21/10/2024 12:43

I will definitely be ending the relationship.

The issue with moving in with him and having a child with him in the future was one I put an end to recently. Told him my DS wellbeing was more important and we were staying put. My son will always come first. He is the most important person in my life.

The reason for hesitancy is because of the amount of things we have planned. Lots of gigs (including this Friday) and a holiday abroad in December. I hate how much I have planned that is tied to him.

Walk away from those things. It'll be sad to miss them! But you will be much better off in the longer term

Guenuk · 24/10/2024 09:34

Dump before you get feelings, lucky escape