To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

You're just making stuff up now.

Nope. You can do what you like, within the law. You can't force me to do what you want. Not calling male who wants it 'she' is not the equivalent of ripping a hijab off, how offensive.

Lesbian and gay people can meet as freely as they want absolutely.

if people want to meet to promote transphobia, it’s legitimate to protest that regardless of their sexuality.

Where are all the posts agreeing with this random video?

In the thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186900-trans-activists-gatecrash-womens-rights-rally-as-they-protest-speech-by-kellie-jay-keen-at-let-women-speak-event-in-the-home-of-suffragette-emily-davison?page=1

I’m aware of the thread. I’m asking you to evidence which posts.

Fine, I'd agree with that with the proviso that none of this means we have to agree that trans women are women or accept them in women only spaces.

Being trans in itself isn't illegitimate, threatening or wrong. Describing yourself as something you are not (i.e. a woman if you are male) or entering spaces intended for the exclusive use of the opposite sex, very much is.

See the difference?

As for "appropriate healthcare", I believe trans people should have equal access to healthcare compared to the rest of the population. I'm not sure that puberty blockers, cross sex hormones or extreme bodily modifications are really "appropriate healthcare" though.

There is no evidence for something innate, some inner essence of the opposite sex called “being trans”. It is not verifiable by any external tests or scans

what does this mean? There are all sorts of medical conditions that can’t be verified by external tests or scans. That says very little about the nature and aetiology of that thing. What can be “verified” by external tests and scans is simply a function of scientific technology.

I’m getting pretty sick of any discussion of the ethics, medical impacts, and mental health impacts of interventionist treatment and lifelong medicalisation being called “transphobia.”

Better be careful TRAs, or the term will just become a joke term and lose any real meaning.

I'm entirely content for anyone to protest the LGB alliance conference. What I object to is that conference being attacked, with a view to shutting it down.

One is democracy in action. The other is extremist would-be terrorism.

If lesbian and gay people can "meet as freely as they want absolutely" do you condemn the actions of trans activists who believe that the LGB Alliance should not be allowed to have charitable status, or hold events peacefully?

It already has.

Anyone interested can read the thread and @MNHQ won't want this thread being turned into ATAAT.

Nice avoidance technique there.

I don’t think they should have charitable status no, because they exist to promote transphobia which is of no benefit to the public.

But you decided to introduce another thread anyway, and in doing so can’t even evidence what you’re proclaiming. Riiiiightt.

Colour me shocked 🙄.

But you decided to introduce another thread anyway, and in doing so can’t even evidence

You're the one who's attempting a derail by asking for posts from one thread to be posted in another thread (which I believe @MNHQ frown upon).

Feel free to go the thread and join the ongoing discussion.

And yet the charity commission doesn't agree with you nor does the first tier tribunal. The charity commission have confirmed that LGBA's charitable objects are absolutely fine.

Mermaids have already tried to get LGBA removed as a charity and they failed. What happened instead is that it became obvious that there were serious problems with Mermaids and the charity commission started an investigation into them that is still ongoing after nearly two years.

So, just to clarify, you are OK with there being over 300 LGBT+ charities in the UK, but not with there being one single LGB without the T charity for LGB people who believe that the T+ agenda runs contrary to their own interests?

Yes I’m aware of the legal context and I disagree with the court decisions absolutely. Won’t be the first time or the last.

@PiggleToes what do you mean by “trans ideology”? The idea that trans people exist and should be respected and included in society?

I would define trans ideology as

1. The belief that everyone has an inner “gender identity” that doesn’t have anything to do with their sexed body.
2. The belief that society should use inner “gender” as a means of organising, and not use biological sex for this purpose at all.
3. The belief that everyone else should also believe that someone can literally change sex, or at least pretend that we believe this

Hence the pushback from those who don’t share these beliefs, and would like any segregated services, facilities and sports to continue to be organised according to sex (reflecting the material reality of the world, and women’s status as the generally smaller and physically weaker sex and therefore in need of some protections where necessary).

On what basis do you think the tribunal judge was wrong in law?

not respecting someone else’s pronouns is fundamentally degrading to the dignity and value of that person. It’s a form of intimidation and bullying. Yes it is transphobic.

Bullshit

Pronouns are a recognition of sex. They are not a feeling.

If you are forced to use other people's pronouns or else you are 'transphobic' then that's a form of bullying and intimidation.

I don’t have a problem with an LGB organisation , or with services or advocacy specifically focused on challenges faced by sexual minorities.

I have a problem with the LGBA because of their specifically transphobic agenda.

Mermaids tried and failed spectacularly. I'm very surprised that you don't know this. Unless you are here to waste everyone's time.

Quite.

Otherwise it'd be lawful for us to disrupt and prevent a meeting of any idea we disliked through means that were violent and intimidatory.