To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

Replacing sex with gender has a massive impact on those who rely on sex based rights.

You can't ignore this reality.

No we are not - and if you think you are you might want to go to the GP

Tell us exactly where anyone is asking for this? please?

You'll have to be a bit more specific than that, because in TRA-speak, "discrimination" usually means "not centering trans-identified people, and not giving them priority and more rights than non-trans-identified people, especially dull old females".

PiggleToes · Today 13:44

Fear, hatred prejudice directed towards trans people; Ideas that trans experience is fundamentally illegitimate, threatening and wrong; idea that trans people should be denied basic rights and services (eg appropriate healthcare).

Well, I'm glad to note that none of these posts even remotely meet any of those criteria.

@PiggleToes - I'll keep asking until you are honest with us all - answer the question. Tell us why your beliefs trump other beliefs?

So it's NOT transphobic to refuse to use someones pronouns?

not respecting someone else’s pronouns is fundamentally degrading to the dignity and value of that person. It’s a form of intimidation and bullying. Yes it is transphobic.

Not transphobic to say people cannot pick their own treatment whatever a doctor says?

your straw man here is entrenched in transphobia.

Not transphobic to say males should not be in female sport?

Theres a legitimate debate to be had about eligibility for participation in women’s sport. most of the way that this is debated however, which usually involves attacking and bullying trans people and athletes with DSDs , is violently transphobic.

Not transphobic to say males should not be in female changing spaces?

there’s a legitimate debate to be had about how to organise spaces so everyone feels safe. This also includes respecting the dignity , safety, privacy of trans people. Third spaces for gender critical women is my preferred approach. But for some reason gender criticals don’t go for it despite thinking trans people should be fine in a third space…

if you think you are you might want to go to the GP

come again 😂. This is so brilliantly mumsnet.

athletes with DSDs is violently transphobic.

Rubbish. People with DSDs are people with DSDs, not trans. It's abusive to try to co-opt people with DSDs under the trans umbrella, as most people with a DSD have said and asked not to be co-opted thus.

Why are you so disrespectful to people with DSDs, yet so insistent that everybody comply with the demands of trans people. Can you not see the hypocrisy of your position?

Behold EXACTLY what @PiggleToes really thinks.

@PiggleToes - you are a disgustingly authoritarian (insisting people think they way you want them to think), deeply misogynistic (insisting mens rights are more important than women's rights) homophobe (insisting homosexual cannot define who they are attracted to) - you are the very worst type of person, one so convinced they are on the side of right that they will trample the rights and dignities of 4.5 billion people in order to look good

Third spaces for gender critical women is my preferred approach
As long as those spaces are female only and make up 51% of all non disabled toilets I'd be more than happy.

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No one. But a few posters won't let that get in the way of being able to shout 'its transphobic' at every opportunity.

Yeah, I'm fine with this approach, too. Sign me up!

not respecting someone else’s pronouns is fundamentally degrading to the dignity and value of that person. It’s a form of intimidation and bullying. Yes it is transphobic.

No. What you're asking for is for your belief system to trump mine, for me to comply with the rituals of your belief. It is my belief (as well as common usage) that pronouns are sex based. It is not bullying or intimidation for me to choose not to say the words of your religion, when I have a different one.

That's like saying me not wearing hijab is degrading to the dignity and value and is intimidation and bullying of someone who does. You wear hijab/use gender pronouns if you want, you're free to - you're not free to force me to.

No 51% is entirely unreasonable. It should be proportionate to the proportion of women who choose to use them.
The rest of us will use the ladies toilets inclusive of trans women.

Here's the video in question

No, I’m asking you to treat another person with basic dignity and respect regardless of your beliefs.

All adults should be capable of that: it’s basic stuff.

That's like saying me not wearing hijab is degrading to the dignity and value and is intimidation and bullying of someone who doe

what the hell are you on? Of course it’s not like that at all. If you want to use that analogy, what I’m asking you to do is like asking you to respect the fact that some women wear hijabs regardless of your choice not to. You calling a trans person the wrong pronoun is like walking up to a Muslim woman and ripping that hijab off her head because you think it’s oppressive to women.

The rest of us will use the ladies toilets inclusive of trans women. Men

fixed that for you

A poster posted that video when the majority were trying to talk about the usual goons who turn up at Let Women Speak events with their intimidation tactics. This video had nothing to do with said event other than it involves KJK. LWS involves many other women.

Where are all the posts agreeing with this random video? I do believe the poster was directed to report it to the rozzers as a hate crime no?

Once most women understand that a transwomen can be any man who declares themselves to be so without amy surgical intervention rather than a post op transsexual they tend to want single sex toilets.

Hate to break it to you, but those won't be the ladies (sic) toilets, those will be the unisex toilets. The ones with only women in will be the women's toilets.

What you mean by allowing lesbian and gay ppl to meet together freely to discuss what they want without having spoiled TRA teenagers chucking insects at them?

that sort of basic dignity and respect?

So a rape victim should address their transwoman rapist as ‘she’. Is that your position?

That fine for you to believe that if you want- no problem.

For me, they will be like the current ladies loos.

We can all be happy.

From a psychiatric perspective, people arrive at a trans identity for a number of different reasons. Some persist, and some move onto acceptance of their own embodied reality.

There is no evidence for something innate, some inner essence of the opposite sex called “being trans”. It is not verifiable by any external tests or scans.

It is an identity arrived at in the face of psychic pain and distress, but just because a person believes the source of their distress is because they are “really” the opposite sex to their body doesn’t make this literally true. It might, however, be the least uncomfortable way to live for them, a decision that should be taken after puberty, but it doesn’t mean they are actually the opposite sex.

This is just divorced from material reality, and it isn’t realistic to expect to go through the world disassociated from your own body to the extent that you expect every stranger you meet to read you as the opposite sex. That just won’t happen, the external world cannot be controlled to that extent, and it is not psychologically healthy to rely on constant external validation for your sense of identity.

Framing it as an immutable “fact” that a person’s sex is defined by their inner identity and not their body is just post-modernism.