To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

I don’t know why it’s a problem for transactivists for people who are same sex attracted to meet up. It’s really got nothing to do with them has it really. I’m not a lesbian, I have no problem with lesbians meeting up to talk about stuff that affects them. It’s definitely homophobia.

It would completely depend on what the gathering of Trans rights activists were doing.

If Trans for Trump were gathering and a pro choice organisation protested against them then no, of course it wouldn’t be a transphobic attack (unless they specifically tied their protest to them being trans)

Facts are it’s not a hate crime. On two fronts, firstly releasing crickets and protesting isn’t a crime, secondly it’s not a hate crime to protest against GC ideology.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

I found it interesting the form the attack took - a plague of insects. As the OP said at the top, the optics of a venue having to fumigate after an LGB event will not have been by accident. Attempting to dehumanise gay people while also attempting to prevent them from gathering is hardly a new tactic by homophobes.

so if a bunch of ppl emptied a load of insects into a conference of trans ppl that would be fine would it? Not a transphobic hate crime??

TRA on this site never change, always ready to excuse anything TRA do - embarrassing

If Trans for Trump were gathering and a pro choice organisation protested against them then no, of course it wouldn’t be a transphobic attack (unless they specifically tied their protest to them being trans)

If an organisation is specifically called ‘Trans for Trump’ then of course being Trans is specific to that group. And they’d be entitled to gather for both being trans and supporting Trump, no one should be attacked simply for holding ideologies alongside their political views unless they themselves are grouping for hate speech reasons.

secondly it’s not a hate crime to protest against GC ideology.

Being GC isn’t an ideology, you’re confusing not accepting gender ideologies as truth as one in itself. It’s like saying atheists are a belief system the same as Christians or Muslims. What they’re protesting is the LGB Alliance refusal to accept gender beliefs as factual and therefore not recognising that to be homosexual you are same sex attracted.

Yes they were.

They were attacked for wishing for the right to define their sexuality as being same-sex attracted, without being expected to pretend that a member of the opposite sex is actually the same sex because they say so.

It was an attack not a protest because it was deliberately designed (unsuccessfully thankfully) to shut the event down. A protest e.g. standing outside with a "no LGB without the T" banner is legitimate free speech which people who are actually gay and want the freedom to hold dating and social events without members of the opposite sex present are free to ignore.

I hope their prosecution and conviction gets a lot of publicity calling it exactly what it is: homophobic hate crime.

Would entirely depend on why the insects were released.

it’s why intent matters when classifying something as a hate crime

Yes, it absolutely is a hate crime.

If anyone was doing the same at a trans rights meeting there would be bloody uproar.

You find it interesting the form the attack took?

I find it very amusing. They released crickets due to the silence around trans issues being considered. It’s very witty

Honest question. Would you consider pro choice protestors to be committing a hate crime for protesting against ‘women for life’

You're conflicting protesting with harassment again. Pro choice people are entitled to voice their views, they do not have a right to be screaming at women outside of clinics going for medical treatment.

GC is an ideology.

No, it is a refusal to accept a belief system of others based on reality. What makes you think that being GC is an ideology? Do you actually understand the meaning of the word, because gender beliefs are actually one.

Witty?

To disrupt and upset a meeting of people who aren't signed up to your faith based belief system?

Sounds like a hate crime to me.

The only ‘witty’ part of this is actually believing these ‘silence around trans issues’. Do you miss billion pound corporations backing trans organisations every year? How their groups have infiltrated workplaces and schools?

So you don't believe that gay people should be allowed to define their sexuality in terms of their biological sex rather than through social constructions of gender?

It's an animal rights hate crime, that's for sure. (Not a thing, I know).

GC has every right and place to be inside of LGBT. Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual people are included in the group because of their sexuality, you don't have the right to exclude them because you don't care for their opinion

What about LGB?

I find TRAs prevarication fascinating and i would like to invite them to carry on digging so we can keep this thread on active / trending

Eh, I don't find animal cruelty in the service of homophobia witty, but you do you.

Realising crickets certainly could be a crime under the Public Order Act - if doing so has caused harassment/alarm/distress to anyone present.

What is there to suggest the meeting was to promote GC ideology?

I guess it depends if you believe that lgba are a legitimate organisation advocating lgba rights or if you believe they are a shady right wing transphobic group that shares an address with other similar shady right wing organisations that are anti environment, anti abortion etc who admitted in court that a whole 7% of their members are lesbians

It is worrying that people like @Curlyboot genuinely don’t understand that attacking LGB and GC people for simply having a gathering of their own groups is a hate crime. It’s especially worrying that they don’t know the difference between a protest and an attack against another group for not sharing beliefs.

If you were at an event for those trans issues and people did the same would you find it witty and amusing?

I mean, the gender zealots can continue to insist that this was a 'protest' against GC (and as an aside, it's remarkable how the zealots like to dehumanise a group of people who are of the entirely rational view that sex is immutable and important by saying GC, rather than GC people, or those with GC views or similar. Bit rude really).

Their repeated insistence is possibly to do with the fact that the optics on this are really bad for them. Stopping people (and particularly women) from talking is the natural state for trans activists. Talking LGB people from talking is, I suppose, the natural next step for them.

Looks bad though.

The comments of 'frothing' on this thread are predictable and fairly misogynist. If the GC view is that women's rights are important, that the single sex exceptions as detailed in the EQA2010 are important and that same sex attracted and bisexual people should have the right to peaceful assembly without some numpties chucking insects over them is important then (shrug), I'm OK with that.

So, @Curlyboot - how do you feel about the crowd funding for the next attacks including someone who calls themselves "MolotovNextTime"? Just how far do you think it's legitimate for this group to go in disrupting LGB gatherings?