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To be disappointed & offended by this

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HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:14

Myself and a woman I met while working abroad (in her country( have kept an acquaintance going for 20 plus years now.

She moved to Germany for work a few years ago and has since got into a serious relationship with a German guy and shares his flat. She was mostly single before this relationship.

Both she and I have made the effort over the years to meet up once every few years.

Since she got into the relationship, they. visited my home country once. I could not accommodate them, due to renovations, but acted as their taxi driver for their stay, got them free National.Trust entry to a major attraction, and my h paid for meals out etc.
I think it was also the first time this woman met my dd, who was perhaps 5 at the time. She was very interested in her and affectionate towards her; and my DD reciprocated.

I then visited them with my DD in Germany, DD was 5/6 at the time, we stayed in their spare room. My dd's behaviour was no better or worse, I think, than any 5/6 year old child.
My acquaintance appeared to enjoy spending time with my DD, lots of videoing her. Her partner commented he "didn't know who was enjoying this the most" when they were playing in playparks etc.

My dd found their flat layout confusing/disorienting and when she had a sudden, urgent need to use the toilet - which she didn't tell me about because she was too embarrassed in front of this lady and her partner at the dining table - she couldn't find the toilet fast enough and soiled herself a bit. She then panicked and threw the soiled leggings and knickers into a corner of the spare room, nicely getting a couple of poo marks on the wall/bed frame.
I only discovered this when I wondered what she was doing and went looking for her, my long-term acquaintance was right on my heels so I had no chance to clean it up before she knew/got involved and she immediately had the sanitising wipes etc out. She seemed relatively matter of fact about it.

This happened a few hours before we left, I was extremely embarrassed but we didn't have much chance to talk about it.

After the visit, among various bits of convo, she mentioned that her partner has confirmed that he was glad they didn't have kids and wouldn't be having them. I found this slightly undiplomatic (which she can often be) but thought "ok, to each their own" and "I'd like to see him around an actual badly behaved kid". Also I spent an entire day of a three day stay entertaining myself and DD and navigating the city's transport system to go to a pool complex on my own, and didn't insist on doing a day out that they suggested for my DD because I thought of would be too tiring and demanding for everyone. I also bought food and gifts. So we weren't exactly demanding/crappy guests.

During that visit my acquaintance suggested we visit during the next summer (the summer just past) because it was the best time of kids. I didn't arrange it did various reasons, she was very much awol/unresponsive on communications so I thought I'd perhaps offended her by not visiting again. I therefore suggested that maybe we could visit in December, if that suited them.

She has now said that we could not stay with them because she "promised her partner she would not have kids to stay in the flat again".

This sort of rules out visiting her again in her (now) home base. Due to expense. Or I could shoulder the expense, but it makes me feel resentful about spending loads of money to visit someone who can't tolerate a child - and children grow up and change a lot (!!!) - for a night or two.
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The flights there are not cheap, there's no flight from our local airports so we have to travel over 3 hours to a major one (during that visit we had the expense of airport hotels because of flight times) too. It would be heading for £1000 to Kay for flights and accommodation even without airport hotels ... . and this is to visit someone who takes the above line towards kids.
I could visit on my own sometime but tbh I'd just be thinking "I'm here on my own because you're too intolerant to host a not bad kid for a night or two". And my acquaintance was so interested in my DD that my DD would be wondering why she wasn't invited etc.

I don't think this is just him because she has quite a strong character. I don't think she'd be dictated to.

Aibu to feel a bit sad that a decades long acquaintance has come to this?

OP posts:
purpleme12 · 15/10/2024 07:49

Yep!

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:49

I forgot to add to the OP - that this woman mentioned twice to me that another friend heavily criticised her partner.

Said he's very poor socially

I didn't find him so, but I'm generally easy going.

She seemed to be happy with him so that's what I focussed on.

OP posts:
purpleme12 · 15/10/2024 07:50

Think you've rather lost people now with the attitude you've shown

TheBoldHelper · 15/10/2024 07:50

I suspect it’s not about the poo op, or how well she behaved. I suspect it’s likely the fact the trip became child centric, which is natural, but a trip that maybe focuses on the kid, what would they like to do etc, with people who do not have kids, is likely not going to be as enjoyable for them,as it is for you. I think she’s giving you the polite brush off as she doesn’t really want a child focused time. But wants grown up time.

AlwaysGinPlease · 15/10/2024 07:50

You're not wanted there. Simple. She knows you won't want to visit without your child. Easy fix for her. You make too much effort to see someone you don't really know and that clearly doesn't care for you.

Your reactions to perfectly normal responses are both weird and rude.

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:50

purpleme12 · 15/10/2024 07:42

You know no one has been rude or out of order on this thread?

So your reactions are disproportionate OP

Two have been ridiculous and out of order.

OP posts:
purpleme12 · 15/10/2024 07:51

Yes we've gathered you think that!

RowdyTiel · 15/10/2024 07:51

Sounds like she made the effort, enjoyed meeting your DD and was very kind.

Perhaps she's realised she would prefer you to visit next time without a child in tow and she's trying to be diplomatic about it.

People are allowed to change their mind.

I much prefer seeing my friends without their small children.

Bestyearever2024 · 15/10/2024 07:51

Your friend/acquaintance is prioritising her boyfriends requirements over yours

You have to accept this as there's nothing else you can do

If this means that you can't afford to see your friend/acquaintance in her home town, then that is how it is

Perhaps she could come to stay with you?

If not, you will have to keep in contact on the Internet or go to stay without your child

DecafGreen · 15/10/2024 07:52

It is absolutely not normal for a 5 year old to shit themselves and dump the soiled clothing on the floor. If this happened in my house, I definitely would not want you back. And, yes, I do have children.

You've asked if you're being unreasonable to be offended at not being invited back. People are saying that you are being unreasonable. Don't be so aggressive with everyone who says something you don't agree with.

lovelysunshine22 · 15/10/2024 07:52

Op i have kids but i don't like other people's kids much. It sounds like your friend was happy to have your dd visit but now she lives with her partner and he doesn't want it. Try not to be to offended, kids ( especially other peoples) are annoying to everyone except their own parents and especially so for people who don't have them. I would invite them over to see you or go without your dd.

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:52

You're not wanted there. Simple. She knows you won't want to visit without your child. Easy fix for her. You make too much effort to see someone you don't really know and that clearly doesn't care for you.

This woman has kept in contact - with gifts, cards, letters etc and arranged meetings and visits for decades.

She invited us to visit last time

It's ironic that you call me weird, I find your assumptions and opinions "weird".

OP posts:
Pandasnacks · 15/10/2024 07:54

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:52

You're not wanted there. Simple. She knows you won't want to visit without your child. Easy fix for her. You make too much effort to see someone you don't really know and that clearly doesn't care for you.

This woman has kept in contact - with gifts, cards, letters etc and arranged meetings and visits for decades.

She invited us to visit last time

It's ironic that you call me weird, I find your assumptions and opinions "weird".

Edited

Why won't you say what happens when you invite them to yours?

Bestyearever2024 · 15/10/2024 07:54

*This woman has kept in contact - with gifts, cards, letters etc and arranged meetings and visits for decades.

She invited us to visit last time*

But now she is prioritising her boyfriend

Your child is not welcome

End of story

SophiaJ8 · 15/10/2024 07:55

Pandasnacks · 15/10/2024 07:54

Why won't you say what happens when you invite them to yours?

Tumbleweed…

lamiconds · 15/10/2024 07:55

Do you do any socialising without your DD?

I ask because I almost get the sense you find the idea of a friend just wanting to see you strange?

TheWayTheLightFalls · 15/10/2024 07:55

Visit her on your own, or say that finances don't allow you both to travel now but she/they are welcome at yours (if they are).

Ime even child-free people who love kids and get into the zoo/softplay/whatever scene when you visit with a child are happy to say goodbye at the end of the day. Children, even well behaved ones, are a lot.

TinyTeachr · 15/10/2024 07:56

My sister is childfree. She always wanted that. She doesn't find children easy.

She is perfectly polite and friendly towards my children and would absolutely go along with a playground trip etc. However, she finds being around children absolutely exhausting as she can't relax around them.

I have never taken the children to her house. I see her at my parents' house (we are close so don't stay over night) or a stay in a hotel near her and see her in a restaurant for meals (she always offers to pay despite the fact there are 6 of us and only 2 of them).

If your friend is childfree presumably she just doesn't want children in her life and her home. She did try for your sake, but it sounds like.it was too much for her. My sister would be totally grossed out by the poo trousers. I'm not saying it was wrong of your DD at all, these things happen, but someone childfree just may not want that sort of thing in their life!

She wants time with your, not specifically your DD. Can't your DD stay at home with her dad? She's old enough to enjoy that I think.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 15/10/2024 07:56

Look they are not used to children so it’s fair enough that they found it too much. I think when you have children you don’t necessarily notice things that other people would find annoying.

you didn’t have her to stay when she visited you but you expect to be able to stay.

you also make out that you did something good by not insisting on the trip that they suggested as being something good for your daughter. Maybe they were a bit hurt. You make sound like you were doing them a favour but I don’t really understand how rejecting their offer/suggestion of a trip is considerate towards them unless your daughter is a lot worse behaved than your actually making out.

CrushOnEminem · 15/10/2024 07:57

OP have you invited your friend & partner back to stay in your house since your last visit to them?

Or are you expecting them to host you + kid again in their house (due to cost) but when they visited you they paid for a hotel?

I honestly think you need to have a good look at your own behaviour here. You might not be as good a friend as you think you are.

In your shoes if this friendship was important to me I would plan a solo trip without kid to spend time with my friend & reset the friendship.

I don't think you're going to do that though.

BitOutOfPractice · 15/10/2024 07:59

You couldn’t put them up at yours for an unspecified reason. That’s fine. They can’t put you up for a reason they have specified, you’re disappointed and upset? Ok.

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:59

Pandasnacks · 15/10/2024 07:54

Why won't you say what happens when you invite them to yours?

What???

It's in the OP.

What are you taking about?

OP posts:
bostonchamps · 15/10/2024 08:00

I'm another one who wouldn't want children in my house after having shitty leggings thrown at my wall. I'm clearly a heartless witch who lacks compassion, but that's my opinion.

OP will ask to have this taken down I reckon. Too 'outing'.

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 08:00

BitOutOfPractice · 15/10/2024 07:59

You couldn’t put them up at yours for an unspecified reason. That’s fine. They can’t put you up for a reason they have specified, you’re disappointed and upset? Ok.

A temporary reason,not an ongoing/permanent one.

Not sure why you didn't grasp that fundamental but hey, ho ...AIBU does tend to attract quite a few of a certain type of poster.

OP posts:
Pandasnacks · 15/10/2024 08:02

@HazelPlayer you said what happened that one time but I can't see about recent times. I've also asked you that question twice and you ignored the first time to insult someone else. Why are you so reactive? The most insulting angry person on this thread is you by a mile.