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MulinoDarco · 14/10/2024 22:08

That fucking smirk on that fucking step mother's photo. Hope it gets erased forever. That side look pose of that arse hole has whose only power was over a defenseless little girl. I'm enraged disgusted and in tears at this poor little girl. Why why nothing ever changes.

TheTwirlyPoos · 14/10/2024 22:10

The second story in a week.

All I can think about is that somewhere right now another child is experiencing the same. Alone and unloved and abused.

It breaks my heart.

Rest in Peace Sara. I hope that life does not give those three people a moment of peace from now til the end of their wretched lives.

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 22:10

Lindy2 · 14/10/2024 20:13

Sara's older brother was 13 and the twins and baby were her younger step siblings. The abuse could well have been going on in front of them too. What awful things for those young children to witness. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

Why was poor Sara singled out to be tortured like that?

My guess would be is that she was a girl and the daughter of his ex-wife. I think he'd value his son more and the step-mother, who was allegedly involved in poor Sara's abuse, would be unlikely to abuse her own children regardless of their gender.
I hope all three monsters are locked up until the end of their days.

Coruscations · 14/10/2024 22:16

PrincessofWells · 14/10/2024 18:13

Male violence against a female yet again. There's something fundamentally wrong in this world.

We don't know that. The evidence of the bite marks, for example, suggests otherwise.

MulinoDarco · 14/10/2024 22:19

NiggleNoggle · 14/10/2024 20:23

I am home educating and there is huge resistance (not from me) in the the home ed community to any idea of formal lists/inspections of children who are out of school. Every time this comes up I think of Sara and wish there was better safeguarding. So many children being kept at home for the wrong reasons sadly.

Why? What are people afraid of? That they aren't providing good education? In that case kids should be back in school.

In many parts of Europe home schooling is illegal precisely for these reasons.

QuickMember · 14/10/2024 22:21

RIP Sarah. I’m so sad to read of this case and this poor girl. My daughter turns ten soon and I have tears in my eyes when reading about children so neglected, abused, beaten and discarded. I HATE what they go through.

Thedogscollar · 14/10/2024 22:29

That poor child what an awful life she endured. Full of pain and fear. Everyday wondering what would happen to her.

Enough is enough now. These bastards deserve the death penalty. Why keep evil like this alive. I know what some will say I'm just as bad advocating the death penalty but maybe that's what we need to help prevent another horrendous case like Sara's.

RIP Sara.

Lifeomars · 14/10/2024 22:30

Mcginty57 · 14/10/2024 21:56

I just can't understand how someone could inflict such abuse on a child never mind there own child. It always seems to be common there's a step parent involved as well. Poor little girl.

I read somewhere that the presence in a household of a partner who is not biologically related to a child is a very high risk factor for potential abuse. This certainly seems to be borne out by all these appalling cases of abuse and murder

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 22:34

TashaTudor · 14/10/2024 21:50

It literally stopped my breath, I figured it was known about by family and I felt let down by school although I did go to a few different schools but for it to be written down by a doctor and still nothing was done and the way it just says date - (I was 9) continued sexual abuse and rape by father. Date - chest infection. Etc like it was nothing. There's also so many hospital visits, police records, attempt murder of my mum, alcohol poisoning as a toddler, it was only when he refused to take me home one weekend and it ended up in court with him wanting full custody that a court welfare officer stopped all contact. He still stalked me for a few years, posting notes saying he watches me go to school etc he even saw me in a school play when he wasn't meant to have any contact. I am angry because I feel like I haven't had the life I was meant to have and approaching 40 I feel like it's too late to live the life I want (I don't even know what I want!)

"..... but for it to be written down by a doctor and still nothing was done and the way it just says date - (I was 9) continued sexual abuse and rape by father. Date - chest infection. Etc like it was nothing."
That's really brought your experience home to me, Tasha - I can't imagine the shock and anger you must have felt. The apparent careless disregard in your notes borders on callousness. I'm so sorry.
I really hope your therapist is able to help you see that you do have a future (even if you don't quite know what it looks like yet) which doesn't have to be dictated by your past. 40 is still young and you have so many years ahead of you. I sincerely hope you find your passion and motivation - that indefinable "thing" - that enables you to live the life you so richly deserve and to find peace and happiness. I won't forget your story, Tasha, and I wish you all the very best for the future. 🤗

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 22:37

NiggleNoggle · 14/10/2024 20:25

@IdrisElbow unfortunately many councils have no lists and if they have them they are voluntary. There is no yearly inspection either:

"Some local authorities in the UK keep lists of home-schooled children through voluntary registration schemes. However, there is no legal requirement for parents to register their children or inform the local authority that their child is being home educated."

Edited

That's shocking and surely a law change to either ban home-schooling, or introduce strict regulations around it, would be a fitting tribute to Sara.

TashaTudor · 14/10/2024 22:38

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 22:34

"..... but for it to be written down by a doctor and still nothing was done and the way it just says date - (I was 9) continued sexual abuse and rape by father. Date - chest infection. Etc like it was nothing."
That's really brought your experience home to me, Tasha - I can't imagine the shock and anger you must have felt. The apparent careless disregard in your notes borders on callousness. I'm so sorry.
I really hope your therapist is able to help you see that you do have a future (even if you don't quite know what it looks like yet) which doesn't have to be dictated by your past. 40 is still young and you have so many years ahead of you. I sincerely hope you find your passion and motivation - that indefinable "thing" - that enables you to live the life you so richly deserve and to find peace and happiness. I won't forget your story, Tasha, and I wish you all the very best for the future. 🤗

Thank you so much

PrincessofWells · 14/10/2024 22:39

Coruscations · 14/10/2024 22:16

We don't know that. The evidence of the bite marks, for example, suggests otherwise.

He admitted killing her.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 14/10/2024 22:45

It is so tragic, that poor little girl. The three defendants are the scum of the earth.

Coruscations · 14/10/2024 22:50

PrincessofWells · 14/10/2024 22:39

He admitted killing her.

But he's not admitting it now.

Remember the contempt of court laws. We don't want people to get off just because speculation on social media has wrecked their chance of a fair trial.

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 22:51

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 14/10/2024 20:55

Do Pakistan have the extradion (not 100% sure I’ve got that word right) Laws.

There's no formal extradition treaty between the UK and Pakistan, but there have been cases of people being brought back to the UK to be quizzed. In 2022, the UK and Pakistani governments signed an agreement, but for the extradition of convicted criminals only.

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 22:56

Chowtime · 14/10/2024 20:59

A quick google says no they don't.

So they would have to rely on the goodwill of the Pakistan government to hand over the children and as the children are being cared for by a grandparent in Pakistan with neither parent being able to care for them then the Pakistan government is probably satisfied that they are OK where they are. And in a way, they ARE ok where they are.

"And in a way, they ARE ok where they are." Are they though? Let's remember that these grandparents are the parents of one of the monsters who perpetrated this appalling abuse and murder. What can they really be like to have raised such a monster?

PrincessofWells · 14/10/2024 22:58

Coruscations · 14/10/2024 22:50

But he's not admitting it now.

Remember the contempt of court laws. We don't want people to get off just because speculation on social media has wrecked their chance of a fair trial.

It's widely reported on mainstream media, bbc and itv, we can safely discuss what has come out at the trial today.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 14/10/2024 23:01

@TashaTudor could not read and run without commenting. Nearly 40 is not that old, you have a lot of future to make the way you want it to be. Hope your therapy helps. And I am so so sorry you experienced the abuse, and then the indifference. No wonder it took your breath away.

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 23:04

dutysuite · 14/10/2024 21:21

Yes I wondered how the step “mother” got away with not giving teeth impressions.

Well, enough people have posed the question (and I didn't know the answer either) so I've done some research and according to the .gov website:

The police have the right (under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, or PACE) to:

  • take photographs of you
  • take fingerprints
  • take a DNA sample, such as from a mouth swab or head hair root
  • swab the skin surface of your hands and arms
They do not need your permission to do this.

The police need both your permission and the authority of a senior police officer to take samples like blood or urine, or to take dental impressions. (This does not apply when they take a blood or urine sample in connection with drink or drug driving.)

So, there we have it - she's allowed, by law, to refuse.

hotpotlover · 14/10/2024 23:08

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 23:04

Well, enough people have posed the question (and I didn't know the answer either) so I've done some research and according to the .gov website:

The police have the right (under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, or PACE) to:

  • take photographs of you
  • take fingerprints
  • take a DNA sample, such as from a mouth swab or head hair root
  • swab the skin surface of your hands and arms
They do not need your permission to do this.

The police need both your permission and the authority of a senior police officer to take samples like blood or urine, or to take dental impressions. (This does not apply when they take a blood or urine sample in connection with drink or drug driving.)

So, there we have it - she's allowed, by law, to refuse.

The jury will conclude though that it was her biting the child (considering that the two men have already been ruled out).

She's not going to get away with it.

viques · 14/10/2024 23:11

howrudeforme · 14/10/2024 20:19

I think Sara’s brother and half siblings are being hidden in Pakistan.

i hope they are returned here as has been requested rather than being hidden away. Is it because Sara’s brother would make a good witness. And what about their mother not having access to Sara and now her other child.

I think if the brother witnessed the abuse he is probably traumatised enough without having to act as a witness. Difficult with the other children, if their parents are found guilty then who would care for the children in the UK. It is not clear if there are other relatives able or willing to take them on, though they are presumably living with relatives in Pakistan.

JemimaTab · 14/10/2024 23:12

Regarding the other children - I did wonder whether some sort of deal was made with Pakistani law enforcement that the family would give up the three suspects if the children were allowed to remain with them in Pakistan. Because it seems likely that they were harboured by the family when they went on the run.

Mookie81 · 14/10/2024 23:13

greenday16B · 14/10/2024 20:24

Why are children allowed to go missing from school?
Rhetorical....because teachers just don't have time to care.

Oh piss off.
She was taken out for homeschooling. If a parent requests it, the council's home schooling team 'assesses' then informs the school and we have to take them off roll. From that point we no longer have any responsibility and therefore we cannot enquire, contact or make referrals as they're not our pupil any more. It's bugger all to do with not caring. The problem is we do care, which is why we get taken advantage of like all the other caring professions.

AngelicKaty · 14/10/2024 23:17

hotpotlover · 14/10/2024 23:08

The jury will conclude though that it was her biting the child (considering that the two men have already been ruled out).

She's not going to get away with it.

I absolutely agree with you. I don't think refusing looks good at all - although it does, of course, deny the police absolute evidence that she bit poor Sara. However, it's human nature to question why she's refused if she wasn't involved, so I'd be amazed if the jury thinks any differently to the general population.

Mookie81 · 14/10/2024 23:20

greenday16B · 14/10/2024 20:41

Joke, who will pay? Its an absolute disgrace.

Exactly, who will pay? Social services can be woeful, as a safeguarding lead I've had many dealings with them and a lot of it is ridiculous.
But there has been years of underfunding and understaffing. The threshold for intervention is insanely high nowadays because of this. But people complain about means testing WFPs, taxing private schools, rich people threaten to leave the UK to avoid more tax, and any other ways of raising money and then wonder why things don't improve. It takes money!