Anyone else just wish these xl bullies would disappear?

[Mayaamelia]

I know I’m not the only one and don’t think I am being unreasonable tbh but didn’t know where else to post this.

In the past week or so there have been five serious attacks in the UK but what we have plastered all over the news is the police apologising to a deluded xl bully owner, when he’s the one who failed to do as he’s told.
What kind of message does that send?

The other day armed police were called to Stockport because of a dangerous dog and three people were injured. There’s only one little article about it in the Star. When did this ever used to happen in this country? It’s not normal.

I just don’t see why normal, decent people should have to live in fear of these scumbags and their dangerous dogs. Nothing is being done, how can something be banned if there are exemptions?
When the dogs do attack, the owners get months in prison which is the equivalent to a slap on the wrist.

It’s like being in possession of something worse than a loaded gun or a lion. Nobody’s allowed pepper spray though - you can get 4 years in prison just for carrying it apparently.
If they at least increased the jail time maybe that would deter people from owning these dangerous dogs.

I wouldn’t think less of you, but I would feel a very deep dread that one day your confidence in those dogs could be shattered followed by a lifetime of guilt. It’s the naive ‘it’ll never happen with my dogs’ attitude that disturbs me the most, because it’s a running theme with dangerous dog owners.

I cannot imagine walking down the street with a dog that actually scares people, I’m intrigued to know how that makes you feel?

Then where do you stop

XL bullies have the potential to kill.

They are incredibly strong as this attack shows

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/suspected-xl-bully-clamped-onto-9625148

There is a risk owning any dog in the grand scheme of it. Any dog can maul a child to death, having any dog in a home is a risk. I understand an XL Bully is a strong dog but to me any dog is a risk.

Which is exactly why I choose not to have dogs around my small child. Especially one that is physically stronger than I am and I couldn't not overpower it if I needed to. It makes me feel physically sick and hugely anxious when I see photos on social media of people's huge dogs next to small children. Terrifying that anyone is prepared to take that chance, I don't care how "soft" you think your dog is. I judge those people, hard. And I don't apologise for it,

The dog problem in this country has become insane, its way out of control.
All XL bullies need to be culled.
All dog owners need to pay for an annual license, should be v.expensive IMO to cover wages for teams of people to clear all the mounds of dog crap everywhere. If you have/want a breed of dog that is known to be potentially dangerous; rottweiler, German shepherd, bull mastif, doberman etc then these people should be heavily vetted.

People are rude because it's so blatantly obvious to most that those dogs you defend are a far higher risk than any other breed due to their size, strength and temperament

Sorry but you are just in complete denial.

Whenever I see yet another article about one of these hideous creatures attacking someone, I always worry about coming across one one day while I'm out with my children, it's genuinely frightening to think of how you would (or wouldn't) be able to protect a child if an XL bully decided to attack, and it baffles me why people still want to keep them as 'pets'. I agree that they should all be PTS, but I can't see that ever happening.

No dog is infallible. I've heard so many stories over the years of dogs fanatically trained and normally very placid and gentle who either become unwell or some invisible injury that makes them suddenly volatile or they just suddenly decide they perceive a threat. You've chosen to have a dog, where if that did happen, neither you nor any other person stands a chance at getting that dog off the poor victim.
You are a hateful individual, quite possibly with psychopathic tendencies which is why you enjoy frightening people every time you take your dog for a walk and why you have the arrogance to feel entitled to risk others lives.

We have one in our block of flats. Its massive.
The young male owner has mental health problems, at the weekend when he has been drinking you can hear him through the walls screaming ( saying things like help me, please no etc) it seems like he has quite bad hallucinations as he screams that he can see it, go away.

There is also the mum in the house and a small child about two.

They came out with it the other day, child in pram being pushed by mum, dad with it on a chain type lead. As soon as it was out of the building door it started going mental, barking jumping up, going for cars. And the young man could barely keep hold of it. They didn't make it as far as the end of the road before having to turn back. Haven't seen or heard the dog in a while, so take it they have given up trying to walk it outside

Now every noise, every shout, or cry that comes from that flat my heart is in my throat. The other day there was a crash noise and the mum starting screaming oh no, oh god no. Luckily about two seconds later she started shouting about something being spilled, but in those two seconds it was a panic.

A dog that chances are already is on a hairpin trigger due to the breading being in that environment is not going to end well. Everyone around them are terrified

Before the ban came in I would walk my dog during any hour of the day, if I could see people felt uncomfortable I would try to cross over the road if I was able to. Or I’d make my dog lay down so they were able to walk past & feel more comfortable. My dog is made to lay & wait if I am having a conversation with someone or if we are stood still for a prolonged period of time & that is more so for the comfort of other people as I feel like him laying down is less threatening looking than him standing there looking at you. However the amount of people I have actually come across who are scared of him are few and far between and I have had people who walk past me regularly who were scared of him who now will come over and talk to me and give him some attention.

Since the ban however & due to a lot of peoples opinions & comments about XLs I do tend to walk him earlier in the mornings & later in the evenings if I am able to do so & then I take him to secured fields for off lead time as & when I can. As since the ban people do treat us more like we are criminals out walking our criminal dogs. I suppose that’s just part and parcel with having the dog I do though and I accept that this is how it’ll probably forever be with us.

ZippyLimeSnake · Yesterday 18:53

Please don’t come at me for what I am about to say.. But in a lot of cases it is the owner not the breed, I have an XL Bully and honestly he is the biggest dope and all he wants is for you or anyone to just love him …”

Sure. Until that genetic switch in his head flips one day and he decides to rip their throat out.
You are deluded.

No one says these dogs are aggressive absolutely all the time. The same way collies won't herd constantly and terriers don't chase small things constantly.
These dogs come from bulldogs which were bred for bull baiting and fighting. They were deliberately bred for their aggression.
If you honestly think years of breeding has been bred out of these dogs in a short time do you also think terriers and collies don't display their instincts after a few generations?
The problem with XL bullies/pitbulls etc is they can turn. Do you think all those owners who called their dog softies and cuties etc then one day ate half their face were lying? "Oh I know that woman on the news said her dog was soft and sweet for years but she must have just not noticed its bad temperament. MINE however really IS soft sweet."
The other issue the damage they can cause. If a sausage dog goes for me I can likely kick it away. I cannot do that if a big dog does that. Especially bull dogs. Which were bred to not stop no matter what. What's the point in breeding fighting dogs that will stop the second it gets a bit hurt or if someone says no? They have been trained and bred for decades to ignore all that and keep going no matter what. So that's why beating it while it's attacking will unlikely stop it. But may well stop other breeds.
I was in Canada once and saw a few black bears. They all just plodded along ignoring all the humans taking photos. But because I've seen a few placid bears on holiday doesn't mean they aren't potentially dangerous if you're unlucky. They are dangerous animals and should ideally be avoided.

These women on here defending XL bullies remind me of women who knowingly go into relationships with incredibly violent men. There's this sick delusion that they can tame him, he'll be different with them because they understand him like no one else has.

As I have previously said, would you make these same comments to other people with large breeds?

If you read some of my posts I actually very much respect the rules of the ban & follow them, since the ban I have taken further steps to avoid making people feel uncomfortable whilst I am out walking my dog. I am very far from a hateful individual, but please continue your assumptions on someone you have absolutely no idea about.

The only dog attack I have seen was when a cockapoo who was on a lead in a park suddenly bolted towards a KFC 100m away. Cockapoo’s owner being pulled over in the process and lost her grip on the lead. Cockapoo had the KFC in its mouth and was shaking it like a ragdoll
It took 4 of us to get the cockapoo to drop the KFC who did survive but was taken to the vets to tend to his wounds

The XL bullies the Rottweilers and the Dobermans I have known have always been so gentle.

Having had a dog who was part German Shepherd and Heinz 57. This dog I would trust with my children’s life. She was just a lovely girl. However I taught dc from a very young age that she wasn’t a toy, she wasn’t a pillow or a mattress to be laid on and if she was asleep or eating then they wouldn’t disturb her. They would hold a handout for her to sniff before stroking her and they would only play with her when she wanted to play.

We had her for nearly 15 years and we miss her everyday.

I will say that the only trigger we ever witnessed was when I bought a Rawhide bone for her. For the few minutes she had it she turned into a growling dog protective of her “bone” which was the complete opposite to her normal personality. I immediately snatched it away from her. I have talked to others who had experienced the same thing.

This sums it up brilliantly, it's that arrogance of thinking they are always in total control over a dog's actions. You can train them for years to obey you but at the end of the day, if they decide to attack there's not one thing you could do about it.

But most of these dogs aren’t violent and don’t need to be tamed.

But where does being rude get you? Because I certainly would rather have a discussion with someone who disagrees with me but will discuss it in calmer way, than discuss it with someone who has just called me a hateful individual with psychopathic tendencies & I like frightening people walking my dog. When actually I am the complete opposite.

I am not in denial, my point was in my original post was about needing a license for any dog regardless of breed. I just added my two pence in as I do have an XL.

I don’t know if you’re in denial or not. But you still haven’t answered my question about what you would do if your dog went for your child. Other than to try to sidetrack with some stuff about “other big dogs”.

Do you not know?

The XL bullies the Rottweilers and the Dobermans I have known have always been so gentle.

Fallacious argument. In 2023, XL Bullies were responsible for 44% of attacks on humans and other dogs despite making up just 1% of the UK dog population. Pit bull ban helped drastically reduce deaths compared to the US where they have no such ban. Guardian article, you can Google it if don't believe me.

It's like saying that the unused zombie knife in a thug's bedroom poses no risk to the general public. Until he flips. You cannot control a violent thug, or a dog bred to kill. They are accidents waiting to happen, that's all they are, they have no purpose except to cause harm. There is nothing to love about these dogs, they are just human rage and ego gone wild.

@ZippyLimeSnake answer the question.

I notice that you haven't denied that you feel entitled to risk others lives by your choice of dog. I stand by my comment that you have psychopathic tendencies. If it were up to me you would have to undergo psychological assessment before having any animals or children left alone in your care.

When there's no XL bullies I guess?

Make people have licences to keep pets.

When actually I am the complete opposite.

Fair enough you want a calm discussion, thank you I appreciate your willingness. But I cross the road to avoid people who make your dog-owning choices. I walk in the park much less, and much more nervously, because of dog owners like you. My wellbeing and that of my family is affected by the collective of people who choose to parade these creatures around playgrounds as calmly as if they were hamsters. Why would you choose to be that person?

Why did you choose an XL Bully when there are so, so many breeds to choose from?