Anyone else just wish these xl bullies would disappear?

[Mayaamelia]

I know I’m not the only one and don’t think I am being unreasonable tbh but didn’t know where else to post this.

In the past week or so there have been five serious attacks in the UK but what we have plastered all over the news is the police apologising to a deluded xl bully owner, when he’s the one who failed to do as he’s told.
What kind of message does that send?

The other day armed police were called to Stockport because of a dangerous dog and three people were injured. There’s only one little article about it in the Star. When did this ever used to happen in this country? It’s not normal.

I just don’t see why normal, decent people should have to live in fear of these scumbags and their dangerous dogs. Nothing is being done, how can something be banned if there are exemptions?
When the dogs do attack, the owners get months in prison which is the equivalent to a slap on the wrist.

It’s like being in possession of something worse than a loaded gun or a lion. Nobody’s allowed pepper spray though - you can get 4 years in prison just for carrying it apparently.
If they at least increased the jail time maybe that would deter people from owning these dangerous dogs.

Any dog could obviously turn but do you understand that bullies/pitbulls were specifically bred to not let go no matter what?
If a different breed of big (or small) dog attacked there are various things you could do. Small dogs, pick them up and throw them. Bigger dogs, kick them, hit then with sticks etc. Poke it in the eyes. Strangle it. When a dog is hurt or surprised it will often let go. These type of bulldogs were bred for years that they DO NOT let go or get distracted in these situations. That's what makes them a lot more dangerous than other big dogs.

Sorry I am reading so many messages I’m losing track of what I have and haven’t said.

I would use the method I have been taught to get an attacking dog off, which is to create a slip lead & use that & to pull up & not back. As pulling a dog back away from an attack actually baits them more. Yanking & pulling, throwing water ect over a dog will only make the dog react more in an aggressive manor, again this is why you teach a dog to drop anything on your command, granted if they are in that frenzied mode it probably won’t work hence the slip lead technique.

But then there will be something else then something else to be got rid of

Do you actually think it would stop at XL Bullies?

@Yalta are you trying to make some "at first they came for" statement?

Hopefully all violent dogs are banned.

Two of our six dogs are a Rottweiler and a Doberman. Both could kill you easily and quickly in an attack.

The attacks from XL Bullies appear to be slow and torturous and the victim dies from bleeding out.

It's always the owners fault when a dog is out of control and harms anyone whether it be a nip or a savage attack.

I'm still utterly baffled as to why you would pick 'that' breed? Why risk it?

All these muppets on here going on about the one time they saw a cockapoodlepoo go for someone need to just give it one moments thought, did that dog maim the person it attacked? Were they on the evening news? Did the person die? Of course they didn't.

It's got yours or someone else's child in its jaws and you're going to be fiddling around creating some silly type of lead to pull it off? Honestly just listen to yourself

I’ve heard that about the XL Bully as well - apparently they are fine until they hit adolescence and that’s when any behavioural issues start showing. I also read that a large sample of these attacks are from descendants of this killer kimbo dog.
www.lbc.co.uk/news/killer-kimbo-xl-bully-half-of-uk-pets-descended-one-us-dog/

It needs to continue!! It must start with XL Bullies as they commit the most attacks and their owners are the most in denial. Then it has to continue with other dangerous breeds, until all children and non-dangerous breeds are reasonably safe from dangerous dogs in homes and playgrounds and the adult public can walk the streets or sit in a cafe without fear of dog attacks.

Why so resistant to rules that are guaranteed to make the world a safer place? You have no right to curtail other people's freedoms because your angry designer pet hasn't killed anyone yet.

I have explained further up the thread as to why I bought an XL.

I also have made changes in the way I walk & take my dog out to make people like you feel more comfortable & when I am unable to walk him earlier or later in the day, if I see someone feels uncomfortable or is giving me looks I will make him lay down for you to pass or am happy to cross over the road. Media doesn’t help when they consistently are throwing out dog attacks that involve an XL or assume it is an XL, but will not throw out on the news about the GSD up the road who killed their owners friend. Or the Husky who mauled some ect. I am sorry that it has affected you the way it has & some of us owners have tried to respect the public & the ban as much as we can but obviously not everyone has that stance unfortunately.

Dogs imo should be banned from parks in general, I have seen far too many dogs end up fighting & on occasions children being knocked over or bitten.

I've been pretty stunned at most of your posts, from believing your XL is a friendly, harmless dope, to actually going out and acquiring one of these horrific dogs when you live with children. You wanted a different breed but the available pups were too far away!? So you bought an XL from a friend of a friend who happened to have puppies? And your research was chatting to a couple of local dog walkers. Beggars belief.

This post though, this one takes the biscuit. Do you really think you'd have time to create a slip lead & use that & pull up? Really?? Do you permantly have a slip lead in your hand? Or would you trot off to find one whilst your dog was attacking? How strong are you? How tall? Do you think you would have the physical strength and height to actually get the slip lead around its neck as it was tearing chunks out of someone or something, to put it round its neck and then to pull up enough to be able to stop the attack?

You wouldn't. You'd be exactly the same as every other dickhead who has one of these dogs that attacks. You'd be helpless.

@ZippyLimeSnake you sound shockingly ignorant for someone who is in charge of one of these killing machines. It's really frightening.

These dogs have been bred for generations to be aggressive and strong, because they needed to be to fulfil the role people wanted them to do - kill animals many times their size. The high prey drive and defensive nature was necessary.

You don't eliminate that with a bit of training and a cuddle. The same as you don't eliminate the need of a collie to herd or have a lot of exercise or a spaniel to search undergrowth and flush out small furries and birds, or a terrier to go down holes after rats & mice.

The difference is that a spaniel or a collie or a terrier will wreck your house looking for fulfilment, run off, dig holes in your garden, round everyone in sight up, and if they do turn they are physically capable of less damage because their breeding has made them optimal for the job humans wanted them to do, with no need for the size or strength that an animal designed to kill another animal many times it's size and weight needs.

Then because of the size, strength and aggression they have become attractive to some in society that operate by intimidation and threats, and that attitude is not tackled, so this continues.

I agree that XL bullies are dangerous and yes, I think that the stage we're now at, something drastic needs to happen to bring that under control, but without dealing with the underlying attitudes just as harshly, something else will take their place and we'll be back here again with another tool for those who use aggression to go about their lives. Take away their XL bullies and they'll just use something else to make everyone else's life a misery, because no matter how those types of people bleat they love the dog and it's their world, it's not about the dog at all, but their ego. That's just an emotional manipulation to try and get their own way.

@ZippyLimeSnake could you control your dog, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt if it decided to attack someone? Or another animal? Because all dogs have the potential to do that, from my ancient terrier and cooperative spaniel right through to your XL bully, I know that physically I could restrain both of my dogs because I am stronger than they are, I doubt either of them would ever attack a human, however as they are dogs that's not an absolute, it never can be, regardless of breed. That's the issue here, an XL bully is stronger than the average human, regardless of any temperament or tendencies, that's just a biological fact. And that's what makes them more dangerous.

I originally wanted a Newfoundland, but was struggling to find any breeders locally and the breeders that I did find were either hours and hours away or had no planned litters due. A friend of mine said her friends dog had just had puppies and thus we ended up with our dog after a few visits of seeing mum and dad.

Sorry Zippy but it doesn't really answer the question affirmatively based on a positive characteristic of the XL Bully as a breed (because there isn't one, let's face it).

From what you say, you made an emotional decision without thinking it through, based on not wanting to wait for a pet and seeing a litter of puppies as yet too small to kill and maim and thinking "oh it'll be fine".

There was no logic or responsibility in your decision which proves the point made many times on this thread, that XL Bully owners are irresponsible when it comes to dog ownership.

I hope that if your dog ever does decide to do what it was bred for, it is you who pays the ultimate price.

I hope you live nowhere near me, and I feel so sorry for those who do live near you.

How would you feel about my using the space just above your right shoulder (and the space above your childrens shoulders) for target practise? No need for you to feel at risk because I'm a superior shot - just like we don't need to worry because you are a superior dog owner. If you don't like the idea of that, tough, because (in your own words) life is too short for me to worry about others opinions and I don't look like the average gun owner.

Would you be saying this to all large breed dog owners or just me as my dog is an XL?

Would you be saying this to all large breed dog owners or just me as my dog is an XL?

I personally think anyone who chooses to keep a dog that is physically stronger than they are and that they could not overpower, is an irresponsible idiot. More so if they have children and/or allow their dog around children. I'd say that to any of them. 🤷‍♀️

You have three kids I see, a couple of them primary age. Why would you literally risk their lives?

For heavens sake, stop denying that your awful breed is in a class of its own when it comes to killing people, yes people and children fgs! Stop 'othering'.

You've totally proved that you are one of 'those' owners by telling us that you got one because your mates dog had just had a litter! I wanted a particular breed (Pointer) and waited months and travelled hours to collect him from an extremely reputable breeder. Why? Because I'm a responsible dog owner who wouldn't risk anyone's life with my choice of breed and I don't need to watch people cross the road or gather their children up when I approach them!

@ZippyLimeSnake name another breed that kills as often as an XL Bully. You can't.

God it gets worse

I would not set foot in a home with one of these dogs. And would never allow my kids to visit. Do you warn families coming on play dates that there is a dog like this in the house?

I love dogs BUT I agree with you. My friends daughter was walking to school and attacked by a 'friendly' dog off lead while on the pavement. She's scarred for life, lost a year of her life due to being too anxious to leave the house and will always be terrified of dogs. I think you should have a license to own a dog and prove you can handle the dog.

Yes I make people aware I have a dog, again not because he’s XL just because I know some people don’t like dogs in general & I wouldn’t want someone to not tell me they had a dog as I wouldn’t want my child left alone in the room with anyone’s dog.

I would use the method I have been taught to get an attacking dog off

Most people aren't taught that because the risk of their dog attacking is A. Minimal and B. The owner can control the dog.
The fact that you've been taught that and are so blasé about it happening is quite scary.