To ask if you believe in time slips?

[midnightmeows]

I'm on the fence about woo things, however I do like reading stories.

There are lots of stories about time slip experiences, with the most well known being Bold Street, Liverpool. The stories I find interesting are when more than one person (from the 'present' time) sees the 'past' at the same time. In that case it can't be a hallucination - they're either both colluding liars or they really did see 'something'.

Has anyone had any such experiences? I suppose if such a thing exists, we could 'slip' an hour or a day into the past and not even realise.

Cracks in "the fabric of" reality are more usually called delusions or hallucinations. We all experience micro-sleeps, especially when we're tired. Other states of altered consciousness are also normal - just before sleeping and after waking, for example. People often hallucinate or misperceive before and after a migraine or an epileptic seizure, in the hours leading up to a heart attack, during a fever, and when they're in shock. Crowd psychology can influence perception. We shouldn't underestimate the prevalence of drug use these days, either.

I have minor hallucinations when I'm tired - I have ME-CFS so am often unfeasibly exhausted. I've learned to check myself when something seems particularly odd, but it's reasonable for most people to assume that what their sense are telling them is accurate. Unfortunately, though, this can lead them to insist that the odd things really happened.

I'm really interested in all this - human perception and neuro-psychology. Stories like Bold Street may have originated with someone having a blip, but are just as likely to have been fabricated from the beginning.

@Firefly1987 "I wish it was true along with fairies, angels etc. but I think this planet is far too boring for anything like that to be possible. The mundane is all we have"

The mundane? Music, literature, art, rainbows, daffodils, giant sequoia, waterfalls, love, poetry, Mount Fuji, wine, cake, flying, cats,sunsets, whales, elephants, buttered toast, penicillin....., mundane?????

I have a friend, not a close friend but we do meet up a few times a yea, her dad was in the CIA! Yes, she is American and married an English man. They did experiments that proved the during sleep, theta state, we can have out of body experiences. We are consciousness and our body and brain die but our awarensss doesn’t, or something like that. They even described in great detail what they saw and heard but they didn’t have their body as it was asleep!! . They do experiments of all sorts but not allowed to go into detail as she was never allowed to really talk about it but she did mention this as it’s common knowledge, apparently And as her father had passed away, but they are still not allowed to go into too much detail. But we do know there is alot more than what we are taught at schools and the basic science. There is a lot to know. I’m still not sure about time slips, though l. I think you can look
it up as welll. If anyone will know about time slips, it’s the CIA

Something I've never seen explained about out-of-body experiences: your "soul" or whatever detaches from your physical body, so you can look down and observe yourself sleeping. Some have reported flying around hospitals, describing what they saw in other rooms. A few say they travelled far outside the place where they were sleeping and have described the things they saw.

So how are they seeing these things? Their eyes are in their body, which is still in bed, and visual perceptions are processed by the brain - also still in bed.

@Starbright885, I think your friend's dad was bullshitting her. Dads do that 😀

Your body and brain die but our awarensss doesn’t, or something like that.

Your half-remembered ramblings that your friend's late father told her that he wasn't allowed to but everyone knows, apparently, are exactly what we mean when we say there is no good evidence for any of this stuff. Or something like that.

It is far more arrogant to believe that their personal perception of something which is at best highly unlikely and at worst impossible actually happened and wasn't some kind of hallucination or brain activity. The more we know about our brain, the more we understand that the way it can experience reality can be far from reality.

Time slips, out of body experiences, near death experiences etc can all be much better explained by the way our brain perceives reality than by having to change everything we do know about biology and physics.

Lol maybe he was but she is adamant he was telling the truth and only ever mentioned some of his work towards the end of his life, and there are articles of these sleep experiments being done by the CIA. Who really knows

"Humans are so arrogant, always thinking we have reached a stage of knowing almost everything. We know so little"

But we do know quite a lot. Yes, it would be wrong and arrogant to think we know everything- but equally wrong to ignore what we do know. If more evidence emerges that shows something we thought we knew is wrong, then of course things shift. But there has to be actual evidence!

5773857734 if you had a 10 digit display.

Important to remember that the CIA also researched whether it was possible to kill goats by staring at them....

When we dream we have a very different concept of time, where hours, days and weeks can pass in a dream, but in reality, everything that unfolded in the dream took seconds or minutes at most, so we are capable of perceiving time in different ways, depending on our state of consciousness. Not connected with that idea, but the idea of time not being linear, if a point in time is more like dipping a finger in the pool of all time, then perhaps time slips and 'ghosts' are ripples of time that occasionally catch up with us.

@walkingnightmare you’ve made me think of Narnia, years experienced in a flash.

I hadn't thought of that, but yes - just like Narnia 😊

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Goddard

This is a compelling & pretty convincing timeslip story. In 1935 the sober & sensible Goddard flew over a fully operational airbase after going through a storm. He described the planes, specific models, approx numbers, activity, uniform colours of ground staff & the base in great granular detail. Problem was it was derelict!

By WW2 it was fully functional in exactly way he described with a few differences re: steel v glass structures on ground and some think he’d seen a slightly different future reality. Multiverse?

To add Goddard said he saw a monoplane he couldn’t identify, a number of yellow planes, a fully operational airfield with attending crew (1935). Mechanics in blue overalls. At the time RAF mechanics wore tan overalls.

In following years the RAF at this airfield (Drem) began painting their training planes yellow & changed mechanics uniforms to blue. The whole airfield was reactivated in way Goddard described.

I was recently listening to this podcast, she doesn’t go into any science but her accounts are interesting! There is also a mention of Bond Street;

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2pQokmgMWjB0xYVQQiaQoF?si=ICzh5hOIQ8O0Rdz-NEJlTg

we are capable of perceiving time in different ways, depending on our state of consciousness.

Yes, we very much are. It baffles me that people don't seem able to differentiate between personal perception and objective reality, though. While you're having your dream covering days of adventure, everything in the tangible world carries on as usual. If someone put the kettle on just as your dream started, they'd be making their tea when it ended.

When you're in a critical emergency situation, your mind may work so fast that everything seems to happen in slow motion. The situation itself, though, unfolds in the milliseconds it takes for the car to hit the pedestrian or the guy to fall off the scaffolding - you haven't actually slowed time.

What makes you think this is ‘credible’, though? The fact that he was a thoroughly Establishment figure, and had an astonishing and very long military career encompassing both world wars?

I don’t think there’s any evidence he was ‘sober and sensible’. After he retired, he had an entire second career as a promoter of vaguely spiritualist beliefs, including parapsychology, ‘spiritual healing’, and UFOs. His book (published in 1975, so half a life time after the ‘timeslip’) is all about that stuff, and has lots of other instances he reads as supernatural, like a time someone else dreamed about a plane crash just before he took off in that type of plane and crashed, and a squadron photograph from WWI he claims includes the face of a plane mechanic called Freddie Jackson who’d been killed walking into a propeller two days before. (Though there’s no evidence anyone of that name ever having been attached to that squadron, or anyone dying that way at around those dates.)

I don’t think it’s demeaning of his genuine achievements to point out that the one thing all his instances of timeslips/precognition/ghosts have in common is that they happened in some cases half a century earlier, often in stressful situations, he’d talked them over endlessly since, and they’d had not been written down or evidenced at the time.

And that they were being written about by a man in approaching 80 who was a campaigning believer in ESP who founded a charity to spread the word and wrote the foreword to an autobiography called The Psychical Life of Muriel, Lady Dowding (another really interesting individual who was a pioneer animal rights activist, but also a theosophist and spiritualist who thought she could get rid of rats and mice from people’s homes by talking to them).

People doing interesting and worthwhile things doesn’t make them any more credible in other areas of their lives.

Re: Titanic disaster, not a ‘time slip’, but some very odd ‘final destination’ type fates befell some surviving passengers.

@Clotheshanger you are much better informed than me here. I’d taken his detailed account at face value. Thanks for this interesting context.

Oh, he’s genuinely interesting, and he’s one of those people who combines an apparent total hard-headedness (Cambridge, Navy AND RAF careers, very high-ranking etc) with total flights of fancy. Like Arthur Conan Doyle being utterly convinced by ‘psychics’ who cheerfully later sold their stories of fraud to the papers and believing in the Cotyingley Fairies.

The guy Goddard started his ESP charity, the Wrekin Trust, with is really interesting — another v Establishment figure, a 4th Baronet, Cambridge-educated, birthplace now owned by National Trust, taught at Gordonstoun) but also a leading figure in the New Age movement, one of the founders of the Findhorn Foundation, believer in crystals, angels, ley lines etc.

Cottingley Fairies, sorry!

Ooooh, I didn't know that!

Thanks for that @User14March That's fascinating!

@NoSourDough Have you googled Tanya Short?