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To ask if you believe in time slips?

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midnightmeows · 12/10/2024 20:00

I'm on the fence about woo things, however I do like reading stories.

There are lots of stories about time slip experiences, with the most well known being Bold Street, Liverpool. The stories I find interesting are when more than one person (from the 'present' time) sees the 'past' at the same time. In that case it can't be a hallucination - they're either both colluding liars or they really did see 'something'.

Has anyone had any such experiences? I suppose if such a thing exists, we could 'slip' an hour or a day into the past and not even realise.

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mm81736 · 13/10/2024 00:39

No

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:39

oakleaffy · 13/10/2024 00:35

It was a ground mist- where the lower part of the horse's legs were obscured , not completely misty.

I wish I'd been with her to have witnessed it.

It was otherwise quite bright.

She walks early before work.

A moment ago you said it happened at dawn? I.e., before sunrise?

Edit to clarify - I mean to say that I think anything before sunrise would qualify as low-light.

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:40

rooshoe · 13/10/2024 00:12

Do you know what? I'm a complete non believer in anything even vaguely woo.
I'm an atheist. Don't believe there's stuff we don't know. Think all the alternative healing crystals reiki stuff is shyte. As is home-fucking-opathy.

But....

I have a mega brainy friend. Cambridge graduate. Did astrophysics when Stephen Hawking still knocked around doing a few lectures.

And one day she starts talking to me about the Bold Street time slips. (I'm from Liverpool.)

Says she's really interested I time slips and looks into them for fun. Says they could be possible if... [something about Einstein and calculations about space and time and elements of physics we don't know yet.... not sure it was after wine and I'm not a brainbox]

But of all the people to endorse a woo thing I never expected her! She seemed deadly serious there is clever science that says it's theoretically possible.

So actually, I'm a bit 'don't know' about this.

elements of Einstein's theories, particularly his Theory of General Relativity, provide a framework that could conceptually explain phenomena like time slips, though not directly as it's typically imagined in popular culture.

Here’s how Einstein's work relates to the concept:

Einstein's Theory of General Relativity and Spacetime

Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity revolutionized our understanding of space and time by merging them into a single entity called spacetime. This theory explains that:

  • Gravity isn’t a force pulling objects, but rather a curvature in spacetime caused by the mass of an object.
  • Massive objects like planets, stars, and black holes cause spacetime to bend or warp around them.

This warping affects not only space but also time, meaning that time can pass differently depending on the strength of gravitational fields—a phenomenon known as gravitational time dilation. For example, time moves slower near a massive object (like a black hole) than it does further away.
Time Dilation and Time Slips

Time dilation, as predicted by Einstein’s theory, demonstrates that time isn’t constant. Under certain extreme conditions (such as near the speed of light or in a strong gravitational field), time can slow down or speed up. Theoretically, this could open the door to interpretations that align with the concept of "time slips"—moments where individuals experience time differently from the normal flow, or perceive glimpses of past or future events.

However, these effects have only been observed in specific scientific contexts, like clocks in satellites orbiting Earth running slightly faster than those on the ground (due to weaker gravity at higher altitudes). While fascinating, these are small-scale examples, and they don't account for dramatic shifts like experiencing historical events firsthand.

Wormholes and Time Travel Possibilities

Einstein's equations also allow for theoretical constructs like wormholes—shortcuts through spacetime that could potentially connect distant regions of space and time. If such wormholes exist and could be traversed, they might enable forms of time travel. However, the practical existence of wormholes is purely theoretical, and their stability or accessibility remains an unsolved issue in physics.

Unknown Elements of Physics

There are still unknown aspects of physics that could play a role in phenomena we don't yet fully comprehend. Quantum mechanics, for instance, deals with the fundamental behaviour of particles at the smallest scales and hints at possibilities like parallel universes, entanglement, and the non-linear behaviour of time. If these principles could somehow be integrated with general relativity, it might provide a more complete understanding of time’s nature and possibly reveal new pathways for phenomena like time slips.

Conclusion

Einstein's theories offer a scientific basis for how time might behave differently under extreme conditions, such as near massive gravitational fields or at high velocities. While they don't directly explain "time slips" as popularly imagined (suddenly experiencing a different era), they do open up interesting possibilities for time behaving in unexpected ways, particularly when combined with quantum mechanics or other future discoveries. There's much we still don't understand about the deeper workings of time, space, and reality, leaving room for speculation about these phenomena.

Coruscations · 13/10/2024 00:40

I don't believe in timeslips. If they were possible, we would regularly see people from different time period, past and future turning up, and there has never been any verified evidence of either.

raspberryberet7 · 13/10/2024 00:43

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 12/10/2024 20:12

Didn't you ask the same question tomorrow?

😘😘😘👏👏👏👏👏

oakleaffy · 13/10/2024 00:43

Sethera · 13/10/2024 00:29

Almost certainly, but when I watched it for the first time I saw it as a phone, and then did a double-take😃

Agreed!

I have an old set of cartoons from ''Punch''- in one, it shows '' 100 years in The Future'' - it is an engraving of a man and a woman sitting next to each other under a tree both communicating via a machine rather than talking.

{I think circa 1899}

If only that illustrator could see now what we have!

Yesterday my friend visited, he was so tired, he said ''beam me up, Scotty'' before leaving for his home 45 mins away.

I said ''Maybe in 100 years we can be moved within seconds from place to place''

Now that would be good!

{Bur probably unlikely}

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:44

StellaZine · 13/10/2024 00:26

Then why aren’t there news reports from the 50s or early twentieth century of an individual wearing strange clothing suddenly appearing there then disappearing? If they could see people, why couldn’t the people also see them?

maybe they presumed it was their mind, or maybe people didn't believe them etc various factors

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:45

oakleaffy · 13/10/2024 00:23

Probably a Casio calculator.

Did he turn it upside down and giggle at any point?

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:46

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:15

Like it or not, and million people claiming to have experienced something extraordinary is more evidence that one person having claimed to experience something extraordinary.

It is very odd that you are completely dismissing one fantastical claim based on the paucity of evidence but seem quite willing to entertain one with far less evidence.

all of it is subjective to the individual, but group think is more unlikely vs the individual experience

oakleaffy · 13/10/2024 00:48

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:39

A moment ago you said it happened at dawn? I.e., before sunrise?

Edit to clarify - I mean to say that I think anything before sunrise would qualify as low-light.

Edited

No, sun was up - think Spring summer mornings , not like this time of year.

Like this {Not where friend saw horse and man, but on one of my early walks}

There is a man walking ahead of me on pic who was very real.

To ask if you believe in time slips?
Sethera · 13/10/2024 00:51

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:45

Did he turn it upside down and giggle at any point?

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Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:51

There are numerous anecdotal reports of "time slips", but none of these experiences have been scientifically verified. These accounts usually involve individuals or groups suddenly perceiving themselves in a different time period, often with vivid sensory experiences that make it seem real. While intriguing, such stories remain in the realm of personal testimony rather than empirical evidence. Here are a few notable examples, often cited in discussions of time slips:

  1. The Moberly-Jourdain Incident (1901)
One of the most famous alleged time slip cases involves two British women, Charlotte Anne Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain, who claimed to have experienced a time slip at the Palace of Versailles in France in 1901. According to their account:
  • They were visiting the palace gardens when they reported seeing people dressed in 18th-century clothing, including Marie Antoinette.
  • They described the atmosphere changing suddenly, feeling strange and oppressive, with unfamiliar surroundings appearing.
  • Later, they researched the history of Versailles and became convinced they had experienced a brief journey into the past.
Their story was later published in a book, An Adventure (1911), and it became a well-known case of a potential time slip. However, skeptics have offered various explanations, including hallucination, memory distortion, or a shared delusion.
  1. The Bold Street Time Slip (Liverpool)
Bold Street, a street in Liverpool, UK, is reportedly the site of several modern "time slip" experiences. One of the more well-known accounts involves a man named Frank, who in 1996 claimed he was walking along Bold Street when:
  • The modern surroundings transformed into what seemed to be the 1950s.
  • He saw cars, people, and shops from the mid-20th century, all in vivid detail.
  • After a few moments, everything returned to normal, but the experience left him unsettled.
This case is part of a broader collection of similar reports from Bold Street, but again, no scientific evidence has been gathered to support these claims.
  1. The Vanishing Hotel (1979)
Another curious time slip story took place in 1979 when two couples were driving through France on vacation. They stopped at an old-fashioned hotel for the night and had an unusual experience:
  • The hotel was furnished in a style that seemed very outdated, and the staff wore clothes that seemed to be from an earlier period.
  • When they tried to find the hotel again on their return journey, it had seemingly disappeared, and no such place could be located in the area.
While this case has been widely discussed in paranormal circles, there is no evidence of the hotel’s existence, and it is often dismissed as a combination of mistaken identity and faulty memory.
  1. The RAF Bomber in Scotland (1935)
In another account, in 1935, British Royal Air Force pilot Sir Victor Goddard claimed to have experienced a time slip while flying over an abandoned airfield at Drem, Scotland:
  • He initially flew over the airfield and saw it was in disrepair.
  • During his return flight, he claimed the airfield appeared to be fully operational, with planes painted yellow (a color scheme not introduced until years later).
  • When he returned again at a later date, he found that the airfield had been renovated in the way he had seen during his strange flight.
3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:52

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:46

all of it is subjective to the individual, but group think is more unlikely vs the individual experience

If two people are accused of similar criminal acts and the only evidence is witness evidence. In Case A, there are a hundred witness statements supporting the prosecution, in Case B there is one witness statement. In which case is there the most evidence?

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:54

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 00:52

If two people are accused of similar criminal acts and the only evidence is witness evidence. In Case A, there are a hundred witness statements supporting the prosecution, in Case B there is one witness statement. In which case is there the most evidence?

but people dont see god in the traditional sense, they only think about god then project that.

Plus:

In trying to relate the analogy of multiple witness statements (Case A) to proving the existence of God, the argument hinges on the assumption that quantity of belief equals quality of evidence. However, as we see in both legal and religious contexts, subjective testimony is not inherently reliable, especially when it’s influenced by factors such as social pressure, cultural conditioning, and individual perception. While the testimony of many believers may suggest widespread religious or spiritual experiences, it does not conclusively prove the existence of God, just as a large number of witnesses in a criminal case does not guarantee that the testimony is accurate or truthful.

Thus, though the analogy may initially appear persuasive, it ultimately falls short under scrutiny due to the subjective nature of experience, the risk of groupthink, and the philosophical weakness of relying on popularity as proof of existence.

SidhuVicious · 13/10/2024 01:00

I thought the argument with time travel was that in some areas of space time moves slower, so you could return to earth and find time had moved on quicker? Not sure where I heard that so could be nonsense.

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 01:03

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 00:54

but people dont see god in the traditional sense, they only think about god then project that.

Plus:

In trying to relate the analogy of multiple witness statements (Case A) to proving the existence of God, the argument hinges on the assumption that quantity of belief equals quality of evidence. However, as we see in both legal and religious contexts, subjective testimony is not inherently reliable, especially when it’s influenced by factors such as social pressure, cultural conditioning, and individual perception. While the testimony of many believers may suggest widespread religious or spiritual experiences, it does not conclusively prove the existence of God, just as a large number of witnesses in a criminal case does not guarantee that the testimony is accurate or truthful.

Thus, though the analogy may initially appear persuasive, it ultimately falls short under scrutiny due to the subjective nature of experience, the risk of groupthink, and the philosophical weakness of relying on popularity as proof of existence.

Edited

Next time you ask the AI to write a response for you, let it know that the analogy is between two fantastical claims with no physical evidence - one being experience of God and one being experience of time travel.

Also, not all claims of encounters with a diety come from people who were already believers, so "groupthink" is not a wholly adequate explaination for claims of interactions with a diety.

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 01:04

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 01:03

Next time you ask the AI to write a response for you, let it know that the analogy is between two fantastical claims with no physical evidence - one being experience of God and one being experience of time travel.

Also, not all claims of encounters with a diety come from people who were already believers, so "groupthink" is not a wholly adequate explaination for claims of interactions with a diety.

It may be Ai but its still correct and it could write it better than i could and yes i did add the part about time slips at the start of the Ai thread to give it the basics then i added in your view on the cases etc

Firefly1987 · 13/10/2024 01:04

I wish it was true along with fairies, angels etc. but I think this planet is far too boring for anything like that to be possible. The mundane is all we have 😆

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 01:06

Firefly1987 · 13/10/2024 01:04

I wish it was true along with fairies, angels etc. but I think this planet is far too boring for anything like that to be possible. The mundane is all we have 😆

Thats true, until of the horrors in the various galaxies then its omg

3hrMax · 13/10/2024 01:09

Barbiepink1 · 13/10/2024 01:04

It may be Ai but its still correct and it could write it better than i could and yes i did add the part about time slips at the start of the Ai thread to give it the basics then i added in your view on the cases etc

Edited

It is not correct because it is comparing 100 instances of unreliable evidence to one instance of reliable evidence ("the argument hinges on the assumption that quantity of belief equals quality of evidence").

I am not arguing that 100 pieces of poor quality evidence (witnesses claiming to have experienced an interaction with God) is better than one peice of goof quality evidence, I am arguing that 100 prices of poor quality evidence (witnesses claiming to have experienced an interaction with God) constitute more evidence that 1 equally poor quality peice of evidence (1 witness statement from a person claiming to have experienced time travel).

ChishiyaBat · 13/10/2024 01:22

Sethera · 13/10/2024 00:51

07734

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SpiggingBelgium · 13/10/2024 02:07

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 23:35

plus if people can believe in god but then dismiss time slips its like omg ???

If it makes you feel any better, I think the idea that there’s a god is absolute bollocks too.

RedRobyn2021 · 13/10/2024 03:13

Not sure but I find the idea it could be completely fascinating

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 13/10/2024 03:54

SidhuVicious · 13/10/2024 00:27

There are also reported incidents of people turning water into wine tbf.

I can turn wine into piss with startling efficiency.

Edingril · 13/10/2024 05:17

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 23:53

cracks in the fabric of reality

I think some people are talking out of their crack

I do know which poster has won the lottery though

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