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In Law holiday over due date

166 replies

scotscotscotland · 12/10/2024 08:40

I am due my third baby in the next four weeks. We have two children already, one who is non-verbal and has autism. my in-laws are usually quite good at doing the odd bit of babysitting for us and are really good at dealing with the needs of our son and being able to keep him calm as they know him well. Our plan was for them to come to look after the children when I go into labour especially as I labour very very quickly and they are only in the next town over.

However, we found out two weeks ago that my in-laws have booked a 14 day holiday away over my due date. I am furious because they didn’t even consider us when making this decision. By their own words they “didn’t even think of that”.

This has left us with very few options for when I go into labour. We have lovely friends who have offered to come but coordinating who is available on what day and when could be problematic. They also are lovely people but none of them are really used to looking after our kids and especially dealing with the needs of our youngest and understanding his non-verbal communications. My in-laws really are our only “village” and we are feeling very let down.

Their response was that my Mum, who already cares for my sisters kids through the week as well as my elderly father, should travel the 8 hours up here and stay for the two weeks incase I go into labour and they are not accepting that this has never been the plan, nor really can be due to her responsibilities.

To make it even worse, they are both retiring within the next 6 months and therefore could take a holiday at any time, why on earth are they doing it now? We feel so far down their list of priorities and I’m trying to rationalise how this is not just an incredibly selfish and hurtful move from them.

OP posts:
LizzieLazzie · 12/10/2024 11:01

I am confused OP. You say you have quick labours so anyone looking after your other children wouldn’t have to stay very long. Then you say you ‘nearly died’ last time which usually would require a longer stay in hospital to recover? I hope this labour goes smoothly, without complications, whatever your childcare arrangements might be.

cestlavielife · 12/10/2024 11:01

needavice888 · 12/10/2024 10:10

there is no such thing for children with very complex needs! I wish people who never had to deal with these challenges would stop suggesting this nonsense.

Not true. Is available at a cost. Also thru ss chilren with disabilities team direct payments eventually for older child. I have ds with complex needs. Paid fortune sen nanny etc . Later dps from ss helped. Family members unable. Also op implied use childcare already so sen nursery worker?

cestlavielife · 12/10/2024 11:03

See eg snap childcare agency or similar. Special school teaching assistants may be happy to get additional work.

Ozanj · 12/10/2024 11:12

scotscotscotland · 12/10/2024 09:25

Hi,

Thanks for all the replies just to clarify a few points that are coming up, sorry I should have been clearer in my post.

We had the conversation with them a few times over the course of my pregnancy and they have always maintained “it will be fine because we can be here in 10 minutes” and that they were happy to cover the period I would be in hospital so yes, the conversation had been had more than once and with agreement that we would not need to source an alternative plan. When they told us about the holiday and we pointed out the overlap they said “oh, we didn’t think of that” so that is where our frustration is coming from.

my in-laws do, as I said, the odd bit of babysitting but by this it is an odd afternoon so I can go to an appointment, a very occasional (two in the past year) evening sitting so we can go to a wedding etc. they do not do day to day childcare for us and I, as I’m sure many of you do, pay through the nose for formal childcare so there isn’t a “they are sick of doing all your childcare” aspect. What we have encouraged though, is for them to spend time with us all as a family to build a relationship with our children but no, we do not place “the burden of childcare” on them.

I think the “suck it up” option is the only one we have left and I agree that firming up a plan with friends and showing them how they would care for our son is probably our best option now.

Oh and “why should your husband be with you at the hospital?”. Having nearly died last time, just figured it might be nice to have him nearby. I know, how unreasonable of me.

This post is directly at odds with your first one where you said in laws have a good relationship with your SN child. I personally wouldn’t trust someone who does ‘the odd bit of babysitting’ to keep a child with extra needs for the time it takes you to be in a hospital (likely to be extended if you nearly died before). Also it’s very odd your own mum isn’t interested in being there for you if you, in fact, nearly died before

AgainandagainandagainSS · 12/10/2024 11:28

‘Nearly died last time’ but decide to go back for more. The mind boggles.

ChampaignSupernova · 12/10/2024 11:30

the7Vabo · 12/10/2024 10:56

I think this is harsh.

It’s nice when grandparents are excited about a baby. It was one of the nicest parts for me.

I think sometimes MNs threads can risk being a pile on. I’ve seen a couple recently taken down as the OP was clearly upset.

I get that it might seem a bit mad to have a third child in the circumstances, but it’s not like the OP expects the grandparents to mind any of their kids other than occasionally. If my mother was minding my two kids I wouldn’t assume she’d mind a third but that’s not what the OP has done.

And I’m not one of those people who thinks that granny should drop all to mind the baby.

If she had said I'm upset/saddened/disappointed then I would have taken a more understanding approach. Furious is ridiculous. It shows an entitlement over someone else's life. Yes it's nice when grandparents can help out but booking a holiday doesn't mean they are not interested in baby at all. It doesn't mean they are not excited. It's the same as most threads on here where posters are "heart broken" or "devastated" over things that really don't warrant that kind or language. Maybe op was being over dramatic but assuming she has written it as she feels then yes she is unreasonable

MasterShardlake · 12/10/2024 11:31

HermoniePotter · 12/10/2024 10:03

I would remember their actions if they need care in the future

I never understand why this is trotted out time and time again on here. Many parents of adult children don’t expect them to care for them in later years. What a load of nonsense.

Yes I agree, someone always has to say this. As if grandparents can be blackmailed into providing childcare by this threat!

needavice888 · 12/10/2024 11:33

cestlavielife · 12/10/2024 11:01

Not true. Is available at a cost. Also thru ss chilren with disabilities team direct payments eventually for older child. I have ds with complex needs. Paid fortune sen nanny etc . Later dps from ss helped. Family members unable. Also op implied use childcare already so sen nursery worker?

child with complex needs, we never got help through SS . there is no childcare for those with complex needs in the school holidays let alone ad hoc care for an event which you cannot plan for like someone going into labour.

CC222 · 12/10/2024 11:56

That's awful that they have let you down so close to your due date. I can imagine this is giving you even more anxiety having to come up with alternative arrangements.
It's very possible they realised just how much work this could be for them having your children for potentially a few days or longer (in the case there was any complications and you had to stay in hospital), and maybe they took the cowards way out by booking this 14 day holiday to ensure they were out of the way when you went into labour.
Or it's possible they really just didn't think, but even if that's the case, it's a very thoughtless thing to do. You're due to have their grandchild and you almost died last time, so surely their thoughts would be on being around to welcome their grandchild and be here should there be any emergencies.
Its absolutely thoughtless and disappointing. But it is set now so you just have to roll with it and lean on your friends who have kindly offered support.
Your children may be unsettled for a few days in the care of people they haven't been cared by for previously, but they will survive! Just get it arranged as best as possible. Maybe start a group chat with the friends who offered to help so you can all liaise openly should anything happen last minute.
Everything will be fine. Good luck 💕 xx

Lentilweaver · 12/10/2024 11:59

They are trying to send a message, perhaps scared that they will be roped in for childcare. In their place I would have waited to send that message. Especially since you barely ask them for childcare.

I myself have zero desire to provide regular childcare in the future but I would always be there for emergencies.

abouttogetlynched · 12/10/2024 12:32

I wouldn’t want them to change their plans now and ‘save the day’, they’ve proven what their priorities are already. But I would certainly remember where I, my DH and my DC factor in their priorities in future, and encourage DH to tell them how disappointed we are in what they have decided to do: miss the birth of their grandchild, greatly inconvenience you despite previous arrangements/conversations, leave other GC in the care of someone less familiar with their needs… all for a holiday. I hope their holiday is worth it! In fact I don’t, I hope their flights are delayed, they lose their luggage and get the shits - kidding! (not kidding) LOL

ArnieandBob · 12/10/2024 12:37

Many years ago my friend said to me "Never expect anything from anyone and then you will never be disappointed".
I always live by this mantra now because I have been let down by my parents many times when they said they would help out with the kids and then changed their minds.
They are now in their 80's, mum has dementia and dad replies heavily on my help, I have to bite my tongue sometimes when I want to remind him of the times they let me down.

Purpleturtle46 · 12/10/2024 12:43

scotscotscotland · 12/10/2024 08:40

I am due my third baby in the next four weeks. We have two children already, one who is non-verbal and has autism. my in-laws are usually quite good at doing the odd bit of babysitting for us and are really good at dealing with the needs of our son and being able to keep him calm as they know him well. Our plan was for them to come to look after the children when I go into labour especially as I labour very very quickly and they are only in the next town over.

However, we found out two weeks ago that my in-laws have booked a 14 day holiday away over my due date. I am furious because they didn’t even consider us when making this decision. By their own words they “didn’t even think of that”.

This has left us with very few options for when I go into labour. We have lovely friends who have offered to come but coordinating who is available on what day and when could be problematic. They also are lovely people but none of them are really used to looking after our kids and especially dealing with the needs of our youngest and understanding his non-verbal communications. My in-laws really are our only “village” and we are feeling very let down.

Their response was that my Mum, who already cares for my sisters kids through the week as well as my elderly father, should travel the 8 hours up here and stay for the two weeks incase I go into labour and they are not accepting that this has never been the plan, nor really can be due to her responsibilities.

To make it even worse, they are both retiring within the next 6 months and therefore could take a holiday at any time, why on earth are they doing it now? We feel so far down their list of priorities and I’m trying to rationalise how this is not just an incredibly selfish and hurtful move from them.

I think that's rubbish of them. I just can't believe the low bar the majority of people have on here for family support.

AutumnalCosiness · 12/10/2024 18:01

IamnotSethRogan · 12/10/2024 08:46

Wow.

My thoughts exactly

Calliopespa · 12/10/2024 18:33

HermoniePotter · 12/10/2024 10:08

It’s such a horrible way to think. Well if you won’t do x for my I won’t help you in your senior years. Vile.

Yes I sometimes wonder on MN where normal human and familial sentiment has gone. It’s all “ I get nothing from them so I’m giving nothing back.”; “ They’re toxic ( aka make demands or comments against script) so I’m NC.”

Gone are the times when even some retired paid house staff were kept on after they ceased to be useful.

Me, me,me.

the7Vabo · 12/10/2024 19:14

Calliopespa · 12/10/2024 18:33

Yes I sometimes wonder on MN where normal human and familial sentiment has gone. It’s all “ I get nothing from them so I’m giving nothing back.”; “ They’re toxic ( aka make demands or comments against script) so I’m NC.”

Gone are the times when even some retired paid house staff were kept on after they ceased to be useful.

Me, me,me.

This. And off topic but as a young mother myself I feel MILs can’t win - they’re either criticised for being too involved or the opposite and women my age act like they are holding the kids to randsom if they deem the MiL “toxic”.

In the OP’s case hopefully the friends & husband can work it out between them, and the in-laws can help a bit when they are back from their holiday.

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