To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Exactly. And I've also seen children (girls in this case) who absolutely wanted to be a boy when a child and would dress as a boy etc etc. who when they hit puberty discovered that they actually liked being a girl after all and ended up not trans or indeed gay either.

It’s not accurate.
And it’s transphobic to suggest that recognising and respecting gender is inherently homophobic or harmful to gay people. it’s saying that we must not even talk about, respect or give legitimacy to the existence of trans people as to do so is fundamentally damaging to gay people- that’s the bit about existing to make trans people “disappear” that I referred to in my first post on this thread.

yes, this please.

Lets have an answer

@PiggleToes

It’s not accurate.
And it’s transphobic to suggest that recognising and respecting gender is inherently homophobic or harmful to gay people. it’s saying that we must not even talk about, respect or give legitimacy to the existence of trans people as to do so is fundamentally damaging to gay people- that’s the bit about existing to make trans people “disappear” that I referred to in my first post on this thread.

How is it not accurate? The rest is your personal opinion.

Also, are you not aware that male only gay saunas are a thing?

So women who are same SEX attracted to other women should consider trans women aka males - in their dating pool or they are transphobic? Really?

If you argue that lesbians must accept men into their dating pool on the grounds of these men's 'gender' then of course that's homophobic.

Any fool can see that

it’s saying that we must not even talk about, respect or give legitimacy to the existence of trans people as to do so is fundamentally damaging to gay people

A complete straw man

she was saying that to say you don’t fancy someone because they are trans is analogous to saying you don’t fancy someone because they are black.

how so?

Exactly.

how so?

Because at no point did LGB Alliance say no one should ever talk about trans issues. Not sure where you got that impression.

Sorry what? How offensive. It’s not AT ALL.

she was saying that to say you don’t fancy someone because they are trans is analogous to saying you don’t fancy someone because they are black.

It's not about whether they are trans, it's about their sex. Disingenuous to suggest it's about "trans" when that is irrelevant.

They promote the idea that gender, the way you feel or dress, is more important than biological sex. As lesbians, gay men and bisexuals whose orientation is sex based, we believe that replacing sex with gender means that we can no longer name or describe the discrimination we face and, therefore, that our hard-won rights can be dismantled

But they didn't actually say they were against trans people talking about their own issues, that's something you invented.

That’s what she was saying

Spoilt little rich kids, bored with nothing better to do.

It’s not accurate.

In what way is it inaccurate?

And it’s transphobic to suggest that recognising and respecting gender is inherently homophobic or harmful to gay people. it’s saying that we must not even talk about, respect or give legitimacy to the existence of trans people as to do so is fundamentally damaging to gay people- that’s the bit about existing to make trans people “disappear” that I referred to in my first post on this thread

It doesn't say anything the existence of trans people or wanting to make them disappear. It says that when sexual attraction is defined in terms of gender, that makes a mockery of same-sex attracted people as it does not respect their sexuality. And that is a threat to gay and bi people given that sexuality is a protected characteristic.

Nancy Kelley is awful. And yes it is what she was saying, that's why it's bad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385
This is an article from BBC discussing the pressure lesbians are under to have sex with men who identify as lesbians

How is releasing insects “needlessly cruel to the insects”?

As always, people do a bang up job on these threads of demonstrating why the LGB Alliance is needed.

And that’s what you’re saying. No one has to believe in the concept of ‘gender’ if they don’t want to. The truth is sex can’t be changed, if you want to believe that it can, that’s fine. You don’t compel others to. Especially women who are same sex attracted. They aren’t transphobic to not want to include biological males in their dating pool (I see you didn’t attempt to address this).

It’s like reasoning with Sooty.

How is releasing insects “needlessly cruel to the insects”?

Because they'll be fumigated.