To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Sorry if I missed it, has anyone who thinks IABU yet provided any evidence that LGBA is a group for transphobic hate? Rather than a group for LGB (same sex attracted) people?

Unless of course PP believe that same sex attraction is in itself transphobic? Because believing that people aren't allowed to self define as same sex attracted would seem pretty homophobic to me.

But I'm interested, if people deliberately released insects into a trans conference, what would be your take on it? @XDownwiththissortofthingX

As a bi female, I find the theatrics of releasing a plague of locusts (I think they were crickets, but locusts sounds more dramatic) unpalatable, cruel and in very poor taste.
I neither support the stance of the LGBA or the insect destroyers, but some of the responses on here are akin to hate speech agin the trans community.
I do hate the LGBTQIA+ acronym, as we seem to be expanding the acronym in a desperate attempt at faux inclusively.
Trans issues are not synonymous with homosexual issues; we are diverse communities that seem to allow ourselves to be lumped together, yet pitted against one another by patronising patriarchal paradigms.

Absolutely no different to what has happened here.

Thanks for giving the opportunity to share just a couple of their important articles. These are by a clinical psychologist detailing the psychological harm that's done to children by when adults socially transition them:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

The above is about primary aged children and the following is about teenagers:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

Well worth a read.

No hate. Just child centred adults, many of them professionals, seeking to protect children and allow them to develop in safety.

what is it about the stance of the LGBA that you disagree with?

Absolutely no different to what has happened here.

Of course.

PiggleToes, maybe you’d like to offer some actual evidence based arguments for your claims? At the moment, you just seem to be screaming ‘transphobia’ while sticking your fingers in your (metaphorical) ears.

Why do you say LGBA is anti-trans, why do you say Transgender Trend is anti-trans etc? How about Cass? (Hint, “because they are” isn’t an argument)

You say GC is a cult - what cult-like characteristics do you observe? (or is this a bit like: I don’t agree with you = you must be a nazi?)

Your question is absurd. Are they “allowed” to be same sex attracted? People are attracted to who they are attracted to - being “allowed” is neither here nor there.
And why would I have any interest in making pronouncements about who anyone should include in their dating pool? Well, I suppose I might have opinions if someone close to me was dating a lib abuser…. But that’s about as far as my interest stretches 🤷🏼‍♀️.

What is the function of asking me this question? What is it that you are hoping to achieve?

Tell me this didn't actually happen.
My gob is smacked😮

I’m simply correcting the misinformation being promoted on this thread. Because I think that’s important - even in these types of online echo chambers. Maybe it is futile.
I don’t believe I used the word “cult” so you may want to direct your last question to a different user.

Your question is absurd. Are they “allowed” to be same sex attracted?

Do you think it's ok to say to a male person who identifies as a woman that you don't want to sleep with them because you're a lesbian and therefore don't sleep with male people?

Do you think it's ok for gay men to want a male only sauna?

28 so far saying you are unreasonable. Who ARE these people?

I'm not sure why gay and lesbian people have to have any other groups added to them when those things are completely unrelated?

It’s dreadful that these gay people are being forced to deny their innate sexuality and recognise the opposite sex as viable sexual partners when they are same sex attracted. I can’t believe in 2024 they are being harassed and shutdown for their sexual preferences. How have we we regressed so far that we can tell people who to have sex with and why their preferences are wrong?

There is truth to this statement.

The majority of the kids who were referred to the Tavistock were same sex attracted. It was a cause of great concern to several of the whistle blowers. The consensus is that these kids suffering from gender dysphoria , if left to their own devices and not affirmed, grow up to be happy and healthy gay men and women.

Under “why we exist” on their website. First paragraph is legitimate- lots of lgbt groups campaign on this.

second paragraph is the unique reason why LGBA were established and what they exist to promote- it is transphobia.

Now there is a new type of homophobia in the UK that the established LGBTQ+ groups are failing to tackle and, in many cases, are actually making worse.
They promote the idea that gender, the way you feel or dress, is more important than biological sex. As lesbians, gay men and bisexuals whose orientation is sex based, we believe that replacing sex with gender means that we can no longer name or describe the discrimination we face and, therefore, that our hard-won rights can be dismantled

28 so far saying you are unreasonable. Who ARE these people?

We know they exist or the conference would have been left alone, but 95% of people disagree, with them, which is probably more or less the proportion in the real world.

Because basically it's verboten to be gay. And we don't get a say in how we speak about ourselves, what we call ourselves, who is on our dating apps, who we hang out with, who comes to our social events etc etc.

How things got this bad I don't know, but straight people sticking their nose in and trying to be all cool with their LGBTQI+++ nonsense is not helping.

Now there is a new type of homophobia in the UK that the established LGBTQ+ groups are failing to tackle and, in many cases, are actually making worse.
They promote the idea that gender, the way you feel or dress, is more important than biological sex. As lesbians, gay men and bisexuals whose orientation is sex based, we believe that replacing sex with gender means that we can no longer name or describe the discrimination we face and, therefore, that our hard-won rights can be dismantled

Just to clarify - you think the above statement is transphobic? How? Can you explain? That all reads as common sense to me

second paragraph is the unique reason why LGBA were established and what they exist to promote- it is transphobia.

"Now there is a new type of homophobia in the UK that the established LGBTQ+ groups are failing to tackle and, in many cases, are actually making worse.
They promote the idea that gender, the way you feel or dress, is more important than biological sex. As lesbians, gay men and bisexuals whose orientation is sex based, we believe that replacing sex with gender means that we can no longer name or describe the discrimination we face and, therefore, that our hard-won rights can be dismantled*

How is this inaccurate? Or are you saying it is accurate but calling it out is "transphobia"?

Do you think it's ok for gay men to want a male only sauna?

What?! 😵‍💫

For the love of God, can someone attempt to answer this instead of ‘it’s transphobiaaaaaa’.

What, specifically, makes you certain I'd take a different view?

My only contribution to this thread has been in response to someone enquiring about the possibility this constitutes a Hate Crime. I've said absolutely nothing about my opinion of the events themselves, the groups involved, or the OP's question about groups having a right to meet in peace, so I can not see how you can form any sort of idea about what I might think in the first place, let alone what I might think in a different, albeit similar scenario. Huge degree of presumption on your part, I think.

FWIW, I agree with the OP's assertion that groups should be free to meet, mingle, and discuss as they see fit, provided they are acting within the law. Freedom of association and freedom of belief are fundamental core aspects of a free society. People should also have the right to protest against organisations and groups espousing views they disagree with, again, another aspect of a free society, and provided those protests are within the bounds of law, then I have no issue with the protestors either.

My personal view of what has happened in this specific instance is that it's puerile and ultimately serves no purpose beyond disruption, but I'm content to let the authorities decide if anything that has taken place constitutes a criminal act and deal with that appropriately. I'd feel no different if LGB Alliance delegates did precisely the same to a Trans conference. Entitled to protest, even if I don't necessarily agree with or approve of the method of protest, but again, it's up to the relevant authorities to police the consequences.

That’s not transphobia, that’s basic fact. With a sprinkle of common sense.

Nancy Kelly, when she was CEO of stonewall, likened lesbians who wanted to exclude men who identified as lesbians from their dating pool to sexual racists.