To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

I think this context has been missed:

”They still have the insects crawling on them from their bags. Police are being called. The four females are laughing and I heard them say they did it because the conference is transphobic.”

I have no idea if this is true or not but if the conference WAS transphobic then no, I don’t care about them releasing insects. Would be like anti-racism campaigners releasing insects to a racist conference. I would not have an issue with that either.

That said I don’t think a meeting of gay men and women (not “females” as the notorious trash heap Ngo puts it) should be viewed as inherently transphobic.

Right. It is your judgement , prejudice and lack of understanding that has led you to fear and hate trans people and believe that this hatred is justified.

This is a very terrible and sad truth about the political climate today. We soldier on and hope that things improve with time.

@PiggleToes ?

It is also this very hatred and misunderstanding that is promoted and spread by organisations like the LGBA. Transgender trend is another one. These organisations exist for this purpose.

It isn't a question of "acceptable".

I responded to a post asking if this perhaps constituted a Hate Crime.

Without a criminal offence you can not have a Hate Crime, so I was asking what the alleged criminal offence is, because once that's established, you can then look at Hate aggravators and whether there is grounds for contending that a specific individual or group has been targeted due to a protected characteristic, or whether it's more credible that people with a protected belief of their own have targeted an organisation because of politics.

So have the individuals in question been charged with a criminal offence?

So why was the inaugural meeting of the Lesbian Project relentlessly targeted with trans extremist protesters bawling and threatening women outside the venue? And every single women's meeting including FILIA?

Why is homophobia being given such a platform by trans activists?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4771088-lesbian-project-meeting-protested-by-men

I have no idea if this is true or not but if the conference WAS transphobic then no, I don’t care about them releasing insects. Would be like anti-racism campaigners releasing insects to a racist conference. I would not have an issue with that either.

Strongly disagree with this. Obviously I wouldn’t support a ‘racist conference’ and people have the right to protest such things in a peaceful way. Releasing live insects into the venue is not that. It’s needless cruelty to the creatures and could present an environmental risk if the insects are not native species.

Plus, it’s incredibly childish.

I think this context has been missed:

I think you've missed a significant amount of context of the issue as a whole.

I know right 🤦‍♀️

Bunch of tantrumming toddlers

We know who LGB Alliance are on here! We are not the ones missing the context.

I'm not sure about "needless cruelty". Considering what the creatures are, it's highly likely they were purchased from somewhere selling pet food, and I'd far rather be released into a conference space than fed to a reptile.

Stop with the smears.

Transgender Trend wants evidence-based healthcare for children and young people suffering gender dysphoria and for factual, science-based teaching in schools. I know that this isn't a popular idea for many transactivists who argue for children to be subjected to ideological, dangerous medical procedures that lead to early sterilisation, impaired sexual function and damaged bodies.

Responsible adults are extremely pleased that Transgender Trend exists and works tirelessly to support children, families and schools. Suggest posters can make up their own minds - here's a link to their website. Well worth spending some time reading some of the child centred, evidence based articles:

www.transgendertrend.com/

I honestly can't wrap my head around this.

If you care about these children, why wouldn't you want evidence based care for them?

The Cass report was clear about the need for more research and much enhanced monitoring.

What kind of person doesn't support this?

Released into a conference centre and then exterminated by pest control 👍🏼 At least being eaten by a reptile is a natural thing to happen to an insect.

So have the individuals in question been charged with a criminal offence?

The notoriously captured police/CPS deciding to charge them in this case, has no bearing on whether it actually was a crime. It certainly might meet the threshold for a Non Crime Hate Incident even if they didn't choose to classify it as a crime. Again, if you'd like to see which crime you'd be charged with, try it in your local Tesco. Apparently it's a crime to release destructive non native species for one. I'm sure there are other public order and criminal damage headings it might fall under.

The act of objecting to a group of lesbian, gay and bisexual people having a meeting that focuses on same sex attracted people and not gender identity issues, and seeking to disrupt it in such an unpleasant way, is homophobia. As I'm pretty sure you'd call it transphobia if it was a trans conference.

It never ceases to amaze me how much energy is expounded by the Righteous in defending the indefensible.

They are neither child centred, nor evidence based. They exist to spread fear and misinformation about trans people, which they unfortunately do very effectively- hence capturing the imaginations of people like you . It is propaganda and it is deeply harmful to trans people, especially trans children.

It's strange that the LGB Alliance chose to put its office in 55 Tufton St. I wonder what it was about that location with its hordes of anti-immigration, anti-EU, climate change denialism etc right-wing pressure groups with murky funding that made it so appealing?

So that's a "no" then.

@PiggleToes are lesbians allowed to be same sex attracted or do you think they should include males in their dating pool?

What you're saying is that being a lesbian and expressing preferences that are totally aligned with my sexuality and exercising my basic human rights, like freedom of association, is not ok.

That is the very definition of homophobia.

So that's a "no" then.

It proves fuck all. They're a bunch of silly little kids, and both the police and CPS have traditionally not been forthcoming in prosecuting trans rights activists.

many trans people are gay? Can you explain how this works in your world?
If a trans woman (who is male) is attracted to a woman, that's a heterosexual relationship by definition, isn't it? And if a trans woman is attracted to a male person, that's a same sex attracted relationship, ie a gay couple? Right?