To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

It was a study poster by a pp.

People really need to read the thread.

She asked you to define "lesbian". That doesn't require her to read earlier posts.

and when they are, half the time it corresponds only to their sexual orientation

Slightly less than half the time they fancy people of a gender that does not correspond to their sexual orientation.

And slightly more than half the time they fancy people with a gender that does correspond to their sexual orientation, regardless of that person’s natal sex.

According to that study,

I also asked you, see?

Slightly less than half the time they fancy people of a gender that does not correspond to their sexual orientation.

But in terms of sex it does. Sexual orientation is based on sex. You're referring to a minority group within the overall sample.

It's not surprising that committed genderists are consistent in their worldview.

Yes. The majority of lesbians do not fancy trans people according to this study.

(An unsurprising result- the majority of people whether straight, gay, otherwise , do not seem to be willing to date trans people).

Of the lesbians who do fancy trans people slightly more than half in the study fancied trans women and slightly less than half fancied trans men.

Over all 9% of the sample fancied trans women, although it was a small sample.

I’m not defending this particular study- I haven’t even read it, but a pp brought it up and described their results so we were discussing the implications of these results as they are.

The gay scene, like canal street in Manchester or gay pubs dotted about the country, used to be safe social spaces for gay men and lesbians to go to, we would gather and protect one another, form friendships. The gay community welcomed everyone, all the oddballs of society, we gathered and looked out for, including what we, and they themselves referred to as trannies. Basically men dressed like les Dawson’s Sissy and Ada. These men were old characters, it really took all sorts, but there was humour and community, but they never for a second thought they were women, just people who were different, sexuality wise this was nothing to do with the LGB, but it was a safe and at times hilarious environment, then something changed, there was something threatening in the air and it was always the same threat, STRAIGHT MEN!

Straight men have always been the biggest threat to the LGB community and part of this trans ideology is that they have finally found a way into gay/lesbian and straight women’s spaces. They are managing to silence straight women and LGB people, they have latched onto us all, and in our name are creeping in and taking over. Sorry for the rant, it’s all been said before and in a better way on here, I’m a gay man, trans has nothing to do with me, with lesbians or with straight women.

Without going through 30 pages how did a story about this conference and alleged transphobia move to the topic of dating preferences?

timenowplease · Today 09:50

So is that were the '9% of US lesbians' comes from?

I'm wondering how many of the lesbians quoted used to be called Brad, or Chet etc.

I was arguing that the LGBA alliance are a transphobic organisation. And other people starting asking me whether I thought it was transphobic for a lesbian not to date transwomen. Then a long conversation about sexual preferences ensued…

Because the crux of this is that gender ideologues believe that gender trumps sex so lesbians should be open to dating transwomen who are sexually attracted to women, in spite of the fact that said transwomen are male, and therefore of no interest to same-sex attracted women (using the word women to mean adult human female, of course). Transmen who try to get gay men to consider them as potential sexual partners have little success, I believe, because gay men are a lot more direct and feel less social pressure to be nice and unselfish.

JHound · Today 10:01

Without going through 30 pages how did a story about this conference and alleged transphobia move to the topic of dating preferences?

Because there was an argument regarding the definition of lesbian and someone kept trying to insist that loads of real lesbians fancy and have sex with transw, which appears to be entirely counterfactual.

This explanation being a true and objective summary of the trajectory of the conversation if you read the thread.

The other pp’s statements about how the conversation went- being ideological , partial and false.

funny how that tracks eh?

I get that but how did we get there from a conversation about this conference? I don’t see any link between the two unless there was a presentation on dating preferences at this conference?

Can you post a link to the study again please?

Thanks Piggletoes.

It is so baffling to me when people do this and as I said earlier it’s incel babble to link support and ally ship to who you have sex with. I have had an acquaintance try this “gotcha” on me when I said I have no issue with transgender men and women his response was “so why haven’t you dated one?!”

like…dude…what?

I'm still none the wiser of how LBG Alliance are a 'transphobic organisation'.

Yes I have read the thread.

I'm wondering how many of the lesbians quoted used to be called Brad, or Chet etc.

They're specifically "cis" lesbians. Which demonstrates that most genderists know perfectly well what a woman is, and a lesbian.

I’m not defending this particular study- I haven’t even read it, but a pp brought it up and described their results so we were discussing the implications of these results as they are.

Yes, I was the pp myself.

@timenowplease this article links to the study. They summarise the findings, I've quoted here. I posted it to counter the claim that most lesbians think sexual orientation is based on identity rather than sex.

Ah right

Just reposted it so we're all clear.

How do the results you describe counter this claim ?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 10:18

I'm still none the wiser of how LBG Alliance are a 'transphobic organisation'.

Ah well, you see, you're not reading with the Eye of Faith. It's been pronounced, so no evidence is actually required, you simply need to read the words through the approved lens and just Believe.

it’s incel babble to link support and ally ship to who you have sex with.

@JHound the "incel babble" isn't coming from gender critical feminist women and gay and lesbian people, but from males who identify as lesbians who demand that genuine lesbians can't be open that they don't want to sleep with men.