To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Notwithstanding the nonsensical part of your statement- what is clear is that
you are a lesbian making pronouncements about who else is and isn’t a lesbian.

So I’m glad we cleared up who is and isn’t making pronouncements about other people’s sexuality.

Men, no matter how they identify, cannot be lesbians. It really is that simple.

You don’t seem to understand the basic concept of SEXuality yourself.

Basically what we have on this thread, and it's not particularly a surprising or novel or unusual one, is an assertion that people's claimed "gender identity" trumps the rights of other vulnerable groups, unquestionably. And to question it is in and of itself an act of "transphobia".

Notwithstanding the nonsensical part of your statement- what is clear is that
you are a lesbian making pronouncements about who else is and isn’t a lesbian?

What's nonsensical about it? Heterosexual and also bisexual men can't be lesbians. Because they are men and lesbians are women. Men: adult male humans. Women: adult female humans. There, I said it too.

Again, the only people on this thread making statements that some people’s rights “trump” others are the gender criticals.
I have done nothing but repeatedly question the premise of these statements.

So I’m glad we cleared up who is and isn’t making pronouncements about other people’s sexuality.

If any obvious man says he's a lesbian, do you accept that as his "identity"?

Again, the only people on this thread making statements that some people’s rights “trump” others are the gender criticals.

No.

The nonsensical part is that it’s an entirely pointless / circular statement. I agree that things that are not a thing are not that thing.

read the thread. The word “trump” appears a lot. People saying - this trumps that. Who’s saying it and what are they saying trumps what?

yes I agree with you. The nonsensical part is that it’s an entirely pointless / circular statement.

A woman is a biological female. "A woman who identifies as a woman" is a circular statement. But surely you don't believe that, because it would be ridiculous, right? So you must have a definition of woman. What is it?

"A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman" is the circular statement - just to clarify.

Or alternatively. How is a biological male a woman? Should be quite simple for you to answer, no?

You are including men in the category of 'lesbian'.

If I've got that wrong the please explain who the 'large number of lesbians' or '9% of lesbians in the US' that you are referring to actually are?

They are lesbian women who say they are attracted to some trans women.

@PiggleToes

What is the actual difference between the "lesbian women" and the "trans women" then? Why are most "lesbian women" not attracted to any "trans women" according to published research?

I don't know what you're on about here. Some dodgy 'study' I imagine.

Can we define terms?

What is a lesbian?

My definition is a lesbian is a same sex attracted female.

And by female I mean a woman.

And by a woman I mean an a biological female.

I think the dangly bit between the legs and the xy Chromosomes might be z giveaway.

I mean just a quick glance and we can see men even with the dresses, lipstick and other add ons.

But you can’t have nuances in society and for the law when people are categorising themselves. That is the point. You are either are in the category or not and it has to be objectively measured. Society functions on definitions and categorisations. I am white. If I said I was black, for instance, people would look at me and know I wasn’t correct. saying LGBA have transphobic material their website but then not clearly articulating what is transphobic other than ‘feelings’, ‘lived experiences’ doesn’t work for me. The information in their website seems to agree with legal definitions and definitions most people have accepted for millennia until the last couple of years. We all can’t believe different things or there is anarchy (which there clearly is evidenced by the actions of this conference ).

I don't know what you're on about here. Some dodgy 'study' I imagine.

I posted it upthread. It's a study of how "cis people" mostly aren't attracted to trans people, and when they are, half the time it corresponds only to their sexual orientation.

Even other trans people aren't always attracted to trans people, according to the study.

So is that were the '9% of US lesbians' comes from?

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Yes.

It was a study poster by a pp.

People really need to read the thread.

It's a sample though of about 1000 people in total, of all sexual orientations and gender identities.

So you won't define terms?