To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Ah yes, those evil forces pushing for diversity and inclusion.

TRAs are now livid LGB people are getting a voice and are able to talk about same sex attraction

No . They are livid that the LGBA exists to promote the idea that trans experience is illegitimate and inherently threatening to LGB people.

The majority of LGBT people stand together in opposing all forms of sexual and gender based oppression and discrimination

PiggleToes · Today 08:24

So you are saying that your representation of sex is true because it’s easily understood? And that this is a scientific claim? Baffling.

No, I'm saying that whilst it may be complicated, scientifically, sex and the differences between the sexes are easily understood. Even five year old manage to perform such feats.

Is the world also flat because that’s easier to understand/ more intuitive?

Oh, you are silly, aren't you?!

I have a 5 year old and she certainly doesn’t accurately understand the science of sex development. I see no evidence that you do either.

Having a different view is not a definition of hate
Not wishing to define your sexuality by gender or have the word to describe your sexuality changed in meaning is not ‘anti trans’. It just means that you don’t want the identity of trans people to define you.

That’s all.

In your topsy turvy world anything can be anything. Men are lesbians, sex isn't binary, gay people who organise a meeting for themselves are transphobic etc etc.

Maybe you should do what everyone else has had to do. Create your own words, start your own groups and foster your own culture. Because your current gig is rapidly coming to an end.

The only people telling other people who they are , how they must be defined , and when and in what circumstances their sexuality must be changed , are the gender criticals on this thread.

The only people telling other people who they are.. are the gender criticals on this thread.

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See? - topsy turvy!

No- just completely accurate. Read the thread.

That’s what you are doing. The irony has whooshed right over your head.

I've read the thread, thanks. And posted several times.

You've got nothing.

Well said. This thread is depressing reminder of the relentlessness of transactivists in promoting a toddler level of thinking and behaviour with zero insight into the rights of others to meet, to speak and to associate freely in a democratic society.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

Is the word ‘empirical’ also being redefined now too?

Goodness, of course accusations of any kind need explaining. And whilst I haven’t read all 32 pages, I haven’t seen any evidence pointing to the transphobia at the conference.

However, irrespective of that evidence, the original OP was about releasing live insects into a legal event being held by gay people. That, in my opinion, is cowardly, childish and despicable. Not to mention shockingly and openly homophobic. Utterly disgraceful.

If you disagree with claims, then stand up and present a reasoned opposing argument. The act of releasing the insects, however, was just another deeply unpleasant means to tell people to shut up and I’m surprised that you could support such an underhanded act. It is not how intelligent people work out their differing views.

I am honestly open to debate. I am trying to listen but it is just honestly baffling that I can’t even get past the first post

hey sorry just saw this part of the post. The problem is that these things are really complicated and people don’t want to hear that on social media - they want quick and simple explanations that are easy for them to understand or can directly observe and they mistake that for “facts” and “science”.

I have lots of information I could share and explanations that I could offer, but they are complex and nuanced. There’s just not point really unless people are open to that.

Ah yes, those evil forces pushing for diversity and inclusion.

They aren't though. Have a read of Orwell's 1984, maybe? There's this interesting concept called Newspeak.

Although ignorance is strength, obvs.

PiggleToes · Today 08:51

I have a 5 year old and she certainly doesn’t accurately understand the science of sex development. I see no evidence that you do either.

Ah, bless your heart! As you know, that's not what I said.

Point to me once where I have told anyone how they should define their sexuality? It hasn’t happened once.

Meanwhile there are people all over this thread telling large numbers of lesbians they are not lesbians. Discussing when and it what circumstances the same man , with the same attraction, is or isn’t “straight” etc.

If you disagree with claims, then stand up and present a reasoned opposing argument.

or rather than asking me to repeat myself you could just read the thread

It's difficult to believe you are up for nuanced and complex debate Piggletoes when you won't offer it. You simply assert your own (unnuanced) view with increasing force. Given that here you are supporting a disturbing disruption of nuanced debate it is difficult to believe you support it. If you did you would condemn this disruption and ask LGB Alliance to a discussion.

Point to me once where I have told anyone how they should define their sexuality? It hasn’t happened once.

and then you say..

Meanwhile there are people all over this thread telling large numbers of lesbians they are not lesbians.

That's it right there ^^ That's you doing what you're accusing us of. Don't you get it?

Ah well. There we are, I’ve read a lot of the thread. Haven’t seen any evidence supporting claims of transphobia at the LGB conference. But, again, irrespective, my view is that releasing those insects was a despicable and homophobic act. It seems you’re okay with that so we must leave it there.

eh? You are telling lesbians they are not lesbians. I’m questioning the validity of telling a lesbian she is not a lesbian.

I'm a lesbian telling you that heterosexual men can't be lesbians.

Haven’t seen any evidence supporting claims of transphobia at the LGB conference.

The position being advanced (badly) here is that the very existence of LGB Alliance existing is unacceptable "transphobia" because trans people are ok to complain when things don't work for them, but not anyone else.

Are you a lesbian @PiggleToes ?