To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Really? They need help with repelling extremism

The rhetoric below about gay and lesbian people meeting doesn’t help either

It fosters the idea a hate crime like this is acceptable

Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s very difficult to be “basic” when you are being scientifically accurate. Science is actually very complicated 😬

Probably because people see biological reality. Just because someone says they are female, dresses the way they think females dress, act how they think females act, they are seen as biological males and lesbians attracted to females aren't attracted to men. If they were they'd be straight or bi.

But all of that is sometimes empirically false 🤷🏼‍♀️

Totally this.

This is ridiculous. Words have meanings. It's not about trying to make 'other people’s sexuality is a matter of external/ societal evaluation and judgement, rather than something that is known and understood by the actual person'. It's about words having meanings that we all understand. No one cares what your sexuality is, as long as you only involve consenting adults in it. But words have meanings you can't just change and then complain others aren't going along with your new meaning.

If my inner identity is as a seven year old, when I'm 49, other people saying I'm not 7 and not letting me go to primary school isn't other people trying to define and judge me, and it isn't sevenphobia, It's other people having a shared understanding of what a seven year old is and knowing I don't fit the criteria. I don't, I'm not seven, that's just a fact, my body isn't seven years old and that's the definition of seven year olds. I don't belong in year 3 and year 3 aren't being phobic to have year 3 without me.

It is known by the people who meet at LGBA events.

Do you think you contribute to the rhetoric that ends in this potential hate crime happening? Or for worse attacks on women who talk about sex over gender. Some violent.

Think for a while about how you view gay and lesbian people who attend, whom you oppose and use negative descriptors for

So say a straight man fancies a trans woman , not knowing they are trans.

Do we automatically have to tell him that he’s now bisexual and he must always now be labelled and refer to himself as such, even though his sexuality has never changed , and before this accidental encounter , it was imperative that he was called straight?

And this is all in the interests of shared understanding and not at all homophobic/ transphobic or offensive to the person ?

It most definitely wasn’t a “hate crime”. It was a protest against organised transphobia.

Interesting support for their actions there.

Look into who has been manipulating them and dripping poison in their ears.

An ok thanks…

i don’t think you understand our points though. In order for some to have a sexuality, that sexuality has to be clearly defined so you know if you fall into it.

at the moment the sexualities are all defined by the sex of the person. They are clear and concise and pretty everyone can pick where they should be.

you are saying that people should be able to make up their own definitions based on feelings and that no one else should police that.

but in society (in general and legally) that does not work. Hence why people like me and others can’t understand why we would be called transphobic because we rely on the dictionary definition. I also could be inadvertently discriminating against someone because I would not be aware of what class they had put themselves in.

I’ve asked you to provide the definitions that you would prefer and you haven’t given them. I honestly think you can’t because once you start adding in the opposite sex the definition becomes a bit circular and meaningless and you end up with the silly ‘woman is a non man’

I am honestly open to debate. I am trying to listen but it is just honestly baffling that I can’t even get past the first post

Piggie is part of a group of people trying to make the terms to do with sex/sexuality meaningless, and replace them with gender. Which is made up and has no meaning anyway.
It’s a pathetic attempt to force people to see trans people as the opposite sex. Thankfully most people have eyes and their brains clock us as one sex or another fairly easily.

The answer to this is that obviously all trans people first get over their internalised transphobia (which they are allowed to have but no one else is) and date each other. Not try to redefine other peoples sexuality.
They also just need to accept they are trans are move on, the majority of people are fine with that. Campaign for 3rd spaces etc. weirdly transwomen aren’t interested in that…wonder why…

and the slippery slope is that if we are gaslit that peoples sex is based on their feelings, then why not age, why not species? It renders all meanings and definitions useless.

Yes! See also:

People with disabilities - there are people who label themselves transabled and use wheelchairs, which is grossly offensive to people who have no choice about this and would probably give anything not to be compelled to use a wheelchair. The transabled are either suffering from a mental illness or acting out a sexual fetish or both.

People who decide they identify so strongly with an ethnic minority group that they will say they belong to it - again, grossly offensive to those who actually do and who have often experienced racism all their lives as a consequence, and can't identify out of that.

The starting point for good mental health is surely accepting reality and coming to terms with it. People who are predominantly sexually attracted to the opposite sex are straight or bisexual and no amount of labelling themselves queer or pansexual is going to change that.

Not try to redefine other peoples sexuality.

Oh good! so to clarify you aren’t one of the people trying to tell 9% of American lesbians that they aren’t lesbians?

Anyways got to get kids ready for school. Suggest people read the thread .

So say a straight man fancies a trans woman , not knowing they are trans.

If he's straight then as soon as he gets near enough to find out that the transwoman is actually male then the fancying stops. Even if he's still very fond of the person the sexual attraction drops away. That's being straight. If it doesn't then he's not quite as straight as he thought he was.

There are quite a few men who prefer to think of themselves as straight but find men dressed up as women attractive. They may be bisexual (attracted to women as well), or gay (so not attracted to woman at all), who can say. They may tell you that they were fooled. What those men have in common is internalised homophobia.

There are also men who will do a punishment fuck when they find out. They may be straight and angry, they may be ambivalent and even more angry.

I don't tell any of these men anything. I draw my own conclusions though.

PiggleToes · Today 07:40

Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s very difficult to be “basic” when you are being scientifically accurate. Science is actually very complicated.

The point of science is to make difficult concepts easily explicable.

The underlying concept of sex is easily understood by humans and all other mammals, which is how we've managed not to die out over all these millions of years.

There are two sexes in humans and other mammals and none has ever changed sex, that's irrefutable scientific fact. Nobody approaching this with a rational, logical viewpoint would dispute that, because it would be silly to do yo.

So you are saying that your representation of sex is true because it’s easily understood? And that this is a scientific claim? Baffling.

Is the world also flat because that’s easier to understand/ more intuitive?

I don't tell any of these men anything

Oh thank god because I wasn’t feeling quite concerned for a moment there..

It was a protest against organised transphobia.

Elementary building block for any claim is evidence. Otherwise it’s a whim or fantasy or projection or slander. It’s not a defensible argument to keep repeating ‘but transphobia’ without providing any evidence that what was being discussed was transphobic. Without that evidence, defending the release of insects into a meeting of gay people is blatantly homophobic.

this was all explained and covered pages back. Read the thread. It hardly needs explaining though as evidence of the anti trans agenda is all over their website - plain as day.

DEI pressure. University’s under pressure to move up rankings along with good intentions about inclusivity based on incomplete (and misogynistic) thinking. In Hoover’s case, it was not the scientific community who moved against her. I know many researchers who are very cautious about their public profile trying to protect themselves from similar attacks. This has been going on for 10+ years.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/12/harvard-mit-upenn-free-speech-congressional-hearings/676278/

I’m guessing that Einsteins general theory of relativity is also really bad science because it’s not at all easy to understand? 🤔

There are over 300 trans charities in the UK, most of which don't cater for LGB. There are now only tiny numbers of LGB organisations. The TRAs are now livid LGB people are getting a voice and are able to talk about same sex attraction. They've taken the LGB Alliance to court to prevent it, they've picketed meetings, they threaten violence and now this.

Of course it's utterly unacceptable. Of course LGB people should be able to meet peacefully. Of course the children doing this and the men who pull the strings behind the scenes should be charged.