To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

And how do you define a woman?

Yes knowing is important. If a man is attached to someone and thinks they look 18 and then finds out they are 13 and then acts on it, it makes them a pedophile, even if she feels older!

it makes them a criminal , because they have committed an act of sexual violence. Nothing whatsoever comparable to a heterosexual man having a consensual relationship with a trans woman.

well that one’s perfectly straight forward. No. Next?

It's not straightforward if you believe that they can't tell a woman who claims to be a man that they're not interested because they are gay and therefore only into men, is it?

Because we live in a heterosexist society where social norms overwhelmingly promote the idea that men should naturally fancy women and vice versa. Being gay is not something that men are pushed into through dominant forms of social prejudice, it’s a core part of their sexual experience that they feel the need to express despite and notwithstanding the social disadvantages, discrimination, gender shaming that often comes along with it. This is obvious.

@PiggleToes Presumably a gay man not wanting to have sex with a trans man would be being transphobic, yes?

Could well be due to transphobia, yes.

No reason that a man shouldn’t tell a woman that he’s not interested because he’s gay: I don’t know any women who would take offence.

A gay man who tells a trans man that he doesn’t fancy him cos he’s gay, is an arsehole- same at the fat example above.

You do realise @PiggleToes that the only thing separating any woman from being a "trans man" is the declaration that she "identifies" as a man? I could do this tomorrow. And then you think any gay men I flirt with should be careful not to make me feel invalidated in my manhood by stating that they are gay and therefore not interested in my female body?

Outrageous.
What a pack of self-entitled twats.

What excuse should he give then?

A gay man who tells a trans man that he doesn’t fancy him cos he’s gay, is an arsehole- same at the fat example above.

He's not an "arsehole" just because he doesn't share your fringe ideological belief that a woman saying they are a man makes them a man, and for some unknown reason you haven't given trumps their sexual orientation as a gay man.

How about if a gay man doesn't want to have sex with any trans man? Is that unacceptable transphobia?

How about if a gay man doesn't want to have sex with any trans man? Is that unacceptable transphobia?

Piggle won't say it directly because Piggle knows full well this is homophobia.

Even someone bisexual would be within their rights not to fancy people who identify as trans in just the same way as they might not fancy someone who votes Conservative, goes to church, goes to every single match played by Darlington Town or dyes their hair pink.

There is more to attraction than just genitals. Insistence that this cannot be true is incel speak.

I don’t think heterosexual women are attracted to trans women because of how they present and probably doesn’t fit into their ‘type’ which is that innate feeling for type we have.

So let me get this straight :

gay women aren’t allowed to fancy trans women if they call themselves gay.

Straight men aren’t allowed to fancy trans women if they call themselves gay (well maybe they can fancy them a little bit and still be straight as long as they don’t know or act on it).

Straight women naturally wouldn’t fancy trans women because they aren’t their “type”. The same goes for gay men I suppose?

So who does fancy trans people? Only bisexual people I suppose? To everyone else trans women really are just that unsexy. But none of this is transphobic of course. Because transphobia doesn’t exist- a bit like trans experience. Oh what? Sorry, no, we all totally respect trans people !

We must perpetuate the complete lie that most gay men and lesbians are prepared to consider opposite sex "trans" partners.

Here's some very pro trans research on the matter.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Virtually all heterosexuals excluded trans folks from their dating pool: only 1.8% of straight women and 3.3% of straight men chose a trans person of either binary gender. But most non-heterosexuals weren’t down for dating a trans person either, with only 11.5% of gay men and 29% of lesbians being trans-inclusive in their dating preferences. Bisexual/queer/nonbinary participants (these were all combined into one group) were most open to having a trans partner, but even among them, almost half (48%) did not select either ‘trans man’ or ‘trans woman.’

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Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women. Similarly, 50% of trans-inclusive straight men and 69% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they’d date a trans man, even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women. And 33% of the trans-inclusive bisexual/queer participants said they would only date a trans person of one gender but not the other, even though one may expect this group to be attracted to multiple genders.

There is more to attraction than just genitals!!!!!!

fancy that!!!! From the vaginas and penises define sexuality brigade!!!

So who does fancy trans people? Only bisexual people I suppose?

Check out the research I've linked to.

Anyone who misgenders a trans person to their face is an arseholeS

Believe what you like, just don’t be an arsehole about it.

Straight women naturally wouldn’t fancy trans women because they aren’t their “type”. The same goes for gay men I suppose?

I've spoken to or read posts on social media from plenty of gay men who find some males who identify as women attractive, precisely because they are male.

Douglas Murray once said he found Lia Thomas quite attractive.

Anyone who misgenders a trans person to their face is an arseholeS

Believe what you like, just don’t be an arsehole about it.

Alternatively, be true to yourself as a gay man and ignore homophobic people telling you that you can't say you're gay.

Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation.

So more than half selected a person whose gender was congruent with their sexual orientation, regardless of that persons natal sex.

It's quite simple.

Gay men are attracted to men, lesbians are attracted to women. A gay man might be attracted to a trans woman, as the trans woman is a man. A lesbian might be attracted to a trans man.

I understand that you want things to be different, but I'm afraid the world isn't going to magically rearrange itself around your wishes, and believing it might won't lead to happiness for you.

Despite the twisted views of most women on mumsnet- influenced by transphobic groups like the LGB alliance, it is perfectly possible to be gay ,
out and proud, without being an arsehole to trans people.
The overwhelming majority of gay people manage this- quite the opposite- they are their greatest support and allies 🌈

The institutions are captured- academia is captured