To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

It’s obviously written from the perspective of someone who does not share gender critical views, but what specifically do you disagree with in terms of the summary of gender critical ideas?

Are same sex attracted people who refuse to date all members of the opposite sex including those trans members of the opposite sex "transphobic" @PiggleToes

It's a simple question.

I don't know what you're struggling to understand.

Sexual attraction is something ephemeral that most people can't 100% explain for themselves.

It isn't transphobic to not feel that attraction.

The pressure on young lesbians to 'rid themselves of prejudice' is disgusting.

"Gender-critical feminists equate "women" with what they consider to be a "female sex class", and view historical and contemporary oppression of women as being rooted in their being female, while "gender" is a system of social norms which functions to oppress women on the basis of their sex.["

This is the entire basis of feminism. Not just some fringe "transphobic" idea.

Also, after the attempted murder of the other prisoner Sarah Jane was moved to another prison where Sarah Jane raped Sarah Jane's male cellmate. Then, prior to cutting off Sarah Jane's own balls (which we only have Sarah Jane's word that that actually happened), Sarah Jane escaped from prison (HMP Leyhill) and whilst on the run for 3 and a half months Sarah Jane did that most womanly of things that women do and fathered a child.

Sarah Jane Baker is a danger to everyone, regardless of the sex they are or the gender they identify as! I would not want Sarah Jane within a mile of anyone, woman, man, or child!

The parents of those kids if they knowingly let their child even stand next to Baker in a bus queue need their bloody heads examined!

So what I have learnt, catching up on the thread, is that you cannot have a conversation unless words have meanings everyone involved understands.

You can't have a discussion if people are using different definitions of words like lesbian, phobia, or for that matter, vegetarian. Words have an agreed meaning.

Same sex attraction is defined and protected in law, and it's existence doesn't threaten anyone else's existence.

So, @PiggleToes
thinks its transphobic
if heterosexuals exclude the same sex from their dating pool
and its transphobic
if homosexuals and lesbians exclude the opposite sex from their dating pool
so
everything is transphobic
cool

The Earth is round and there are two sexes - Science.

The Earth is flat and there are multiple genders which may not correspond with the body they inhabit. - Ideology with no basis in science.

It's never more obvious how many misogynistic men moderate Wikipedia. There's a ridiculous spat on the talk page as to whether "settling out of court" is a win for the claimant or a "draw". The claimant brings the case and they receive a payment or an apology. That's obviously a win.

Apparently same sex attraction does threaten other people's existence though.

And gay people are homophobic if they say that someone who has a penis isn't a lesbian.

And Wikipedia is a solid source to cite.

why do you think she is an odd example? I mentioned her as she is an evolutionary biologist who was teaching a popular course about hormones at Harvard, until she went on Fox News and started talking about how gender ideology was infiltrating science and her view that binary biological sex as an unassailable truth was under attack . Sounds pretty gender critical to me? she was forced to resign from her position at Harvard and now works for a right of centre think tank .

Never mind that many scientists are very likely ignorant of such debates but nonetheless hold the view that sex is binary and immutable

yes, absolutely there are scientists who do not work in any related area who may latently hold this view as it is a socially dominant one. But amongst academics/ scientists who work on related issues across disciplines - the vast majority do not give gender critical ideas any sort of credence . Nor does the vast majority of academic literature produced , reviewed and published on related subjects .

Do you study at Aston by any chance?

No, why?

It's becoming more and more obvious how utterly homophobic many in the "transgender community" are. Just a couple of days ago, a homophobic hate crime was committed by people who are currently being applauded by their fellow community members on Reddit. And the total homophobia of telling lesbians it's offensive for them to not be attracted to men.

No, the language of “female sex class” is decidedly specific to gender critical feminism.
In terms of definitions of gender and sex, how how these concepts function to oppress women, ideas are extremely diverse across different strands of feminism.

And Wikipedia is a solid source to cite.

Just checking because I am currently dipping my toe back in the pool of academia, that would be sarcasm ? If it isn't you have just made my reference search a whole lot easier

Wikipedia is absolutely not a solid source to cite for anything, it can be edited by anyone. I'm surprised anyone would seriously suggest that.

Sexual attraction is something ephemeral that most people can't 100% explain for themselves.
It isn't transphobic to not feel that attraction.

So is it your claim that a person’s sexual attraction can never be influenced by prejudice? Racism, ableism , homophobia, misogyny, for example? Or is it just transphobia that can never influence someone’s attraction? Why?

yes, absolutely there are scientists who do not work in any related area who may latently hold this view as it is a socially dominant one. But amongst academics/ scientists who work on related issues across disciplines - the vast majority do not give gender critical ideas any sort of credence . Nor does the vast majority of academic literature produced , reviewed and published on related subjects .

You're not actually saying that scientists don't think that humans come in two sexes which can't be changed?

Because that's not a belief. Belief is something immeasurable, like belief in god. Humans coming in two sexes isn't a belief, it's a measurable fact.

They're not lesbians then. Who do you think you are, changing the meaning of words?
Lesbians are not sexually attracted to people with penises.

People with penises cannot be lesbians.

Leave our language alone.

I'm not familiar with Carole Hooven, but I'll assume you know what you're talking about, are you seriously saying you support an academic being forced out of her job because she doesn't agree with your belief system? That's actually terrifying, if you're really an academic. It's like we're regressing to the middle ages.

I think you've just described piggletoes.

No I never said I supported her being forced to resign. I simply said it was a fact that she was. This and other similar examples are indicative of how unpopular and discredited gender critical ideas are within academic/ scientific communities, despite their popularity and influence on social media sites like mumsnet.

An example of you matey.

Men who don’t want to date trans women are not transphobic.
They are heterosexual. That is a man who is attracted to woman, based on their sex, not their gender.
The vast majority base their sexuality around sex. Only a small number of people base it around gender, but want to change it for everyone.

Wikipedia is absolutely not a solid source to cite for anything, it can be edited by anyone. I'm surprised anyone would seriously suggest that.

It would make me doubt the person's academic credentials, if I didn't know what an absolutely laughable shitshow "queer" academia and male inclusive "feminist" academia is. So no, I can believe it.

So to be clear, you are telling lesbian women that they are not in fact lesbians?

And this is not homophobic?