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To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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nothingcomestonothing · 11/10/2024 19:10

Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

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WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:31

Drfosters · 13/10/2024 21:29

She’s going to be even more surprised that you might turn out not to be one! 😂

Ahhhhh, I'll miss her too.

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:32

DrBlackbird · 13/10/2024 21:28

The vast majority of academic and scientific perspectives on this issue completely reject gender critical feminism, although there are a few prominent scientists/ theorists who propound it. These individuals have largely been ostracised as their views are so unpopular in the academic community.

Hmm. I suppose a good many in Gender studies might hold this view. That’s might possibly be true. But to claim the ‘vast majority’ in the ‘scientific’ disciplines hold this perspective is somewhat startling and doesn’t hold up. I think you’d find those that study science are, well, more scientific.

Nah look what happened to Carol Hooven.

BiscuitlyBoyle · 13/10/2024 21:40

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:10

no worries.

Word of advice - if you are new to this debate, please know that the overwhelmingly dominant view on mumsnet concerning all things related to trans people (and people with variations in sex development ) is heavily influenced by a set of ideas/ theoretical perspectives called “gender critical feminism” .

Gender critical feminism is a very controversial and highly contested theoretical perspective: political movement/ ideology , that is by no means dominant , let alone universal , in the actual world, so please don’t assume it is.

If you are interested in joining the debate I suggest you read criticisms on both sides.

The vast majority of academic and scientific perspectives on this issue completely reject gender critical feminism, although there are a few prominent scientists/ theorists who propound it. These individuals have largely been ostracised as their views are so unpopular in the academic community.

Edited

Or, to put it more simply.

Got a penis - then you are a man.
Have a vagina - then you are a woman.

Dymaxion · 13/10/2024 21:41

Nah look what happened to Carol Hooven.

Fit's the agenda perfectly, pesky scientific woman speaks out, off with her head ( I think that is the general theme of placards at events where TRA's congregate ? )
Meanwhile the vast majority of men who say biology is immutable are left to carry on being all scientific and manly !

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:43

BiscuitlyBoyle · 13/10/2024 21:40

Or, to put it more simply.

Got a penis - then you are a man.
Have a vagina - then you are a woman.

Imagine if life were that simple, and the earth was flat, and we’d all feel safe, living on a pancake in a snow globe 🙃🫠

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:45

Dymaxion · 13/10/2024 21:41

Nah look what happened to Carol Hooven.

Fit's the agenda perfectly, pesky scientific woman speaks out, off with her head ( I think that is the general theme of placards at events where TRA's congregate ? )
Meanwhile the vast majority of men who say biology is immutable are left to carry on being all scientific and manly !

It's not usually "off with her head", more "I'll rape you with my trans cock".

Destroy the woman's career, isolate her and threaten her with sexual violence and death.

Hard to see why they aren't winning hearts and minds.

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:47

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:43

Imagine if life were that simple, and the earth was flat, and we’d all feel safe, living on a pancake in a snow globe 🙃🫠

We don't have to imagine, life is that simple.

Imagining is for men who want to imagine that they are lesbians with a penis and other lesbians are totally cool and hot for that.

Talkinpeace · 13/10/2024 21:47

Is it transphobic
for heterosexual men
to exclude transwomen
from their dating pool ?

BiscuitlyBoyle · 13/10/2024 21:48

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:47

We don't have to imagine, life is that simple.

Imagining is for men who want to imagine that they are lesbians with a penis and other lesbians are totally cool and hot for that.

It’s funny how these penis owning lesbians never seem to have relationships with other penis owning lesbians.

SinnerBoy · 13/10/2024 21:48

PiggleToes · Today 20:32

There are many lesbian women who are attracted to trans women.

Can you name 3 of them?

good job nobody has done that then isn’t it?

Have you read any of your posts?

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:48

Dymaxion · 13/10/2024 21:41

Nah look what happened to Carol Hooven.

Fit's the agenda perfectly, pesky scientific woman speaks out, off with her head ( I think that is the general theme of placards at events where TRA's congregate ? )
Meanwhile the vast majority of men who say biology is immutable are left to carry on being all scientific and manly !

oh for absolute sure double standards and misogyny exists within the academic / scientific community. No doubt in hell about that.

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:49

SinnerBoy · 13/10/2024 21:48

PiggleToes · Today 20:32

There are many lesbian women who are attracted to trans women.

Can you name 3 of them?

good job nobody has done that then isn’t it?

Have you read any of your posts?

Edited

Yep and I wrote them too 😁

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:50

Talkinpeace · 13/10/2024 21:47

Is it transphobic
for heterosexual men
to exclude transwomen
from their dating pool ?

Apparently it's not transphobic for a lesbian to do this, but I am a homophobic lesbian so may not be your best source of information.

Maybe heterosexual men would be fine so long as they shush and do as they're told???

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:52

BiscuitlyBoyle · 13/10/2024 21:48

It’s funny how these penis owning lesbians never seem to have relationships with other penis owning lesbians.

Hmmmmmm, I wonder why that is 🤔

LockForMultiball · 13/10/2024 21:53

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 20:55

My opinion is that this is not a complete or universal definition of “lesbian” since there are lesbians who are attracted to trans women .

Vegetarians who eat fish.

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:53

LockForMultiball · 13/10/2024 21:53

Vegetarians who eat fish.

Pescatarians.

Completely different word.

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:54

Talkinpeace · 13/10/2024 21:47

Is it transphobic
for heterosexual men
to exclude transwomen
from their dating pool ?

a lot of heterosexual men would not consider dating a trans woman because they are transphobic - hell yes. In fact , id say heterosexual men are much more likely to be transphobic than lesbian women. As a pp pointed out, a heterosexual man may be attracted to a trans woman until they discover they are trans; then they might well change their mind about their attraction- ironically, not least because people like pp’s on this thread would start declaring them bi and gay!

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:55

BiscuitlyBoyle · 13/10/2024 21:48

It’s funny how these penis owning lesbians never seem to have relationships with other penis owning lesbians.

What a disgusting thing to say, and deeply ignorant too. Actually many trans women date other trans women. It’s extremely common as they find acceptance from other trans people that they don’t necessarily experience elsewhere.

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:57

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:54

a lot of heterosexual men would not consider dating a trans woman because they are transphobic - hell yes. In fact , id say heterosexual men are much more likely to be transphobic than lesbian women. As a pp pointed out, a heterosexual man may be attracted to a trans woman until they discover they are trans; then they might well change their mind about their attraction- ironically, not least because people like pp’s on this thread would start declaring them bi and gay!

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It isn't transphobic or homophobic for anyone not to want to be intimate with someone who has a penis.

We're back to the bodily autonomy thing that you agreed with.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 21:58

Pescatarians.

Completely different word.

Precisely. Homogenderals (working title) need a new word. Lesbian is taken.

LockForMultiball · 13/10/2024 21:58

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:53

Pescatarians.

Completely different word.

Yes, exactly.

There is a complete and universal definition of "vegetarian", and that definition does not include those who eat fish.

The existence of people who eat fish and call themselves vegetarians does not invalidate the category of vegetarian. It means that people who eat fish and call themselves vegetarian are using the word incorrectly.

Therefore, in response to "Lesbians who are attracted to trans women":

"Vegetarians who eat fish."

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 22:01

Is pescasexuals taken?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 22:02

Wikipedia provides a pretty good summary as far as I have read
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-critical_feminism

No, it provides an extremely biased "summary".

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 22:02

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 21:57

It isn't transphobic or homophobic for anyone not to want to be intimate with someone who has a penis.

We're back to the bodily autonomy thing that you agreed with.

I don’t know why you are still struggling to understand this.

Everyone has the right to bodily autonomy. No ifs , no buts. This is a fundamental principle that is without exception.

However , who people chose to include or exclude within their dating pool absolutely can be influenced by all types of prejudice- transphobia being a very common and powerful one.

This does not mean that people should be coerced into dating anyone they are not attracted to.

Both things can and do exist at the same time- sexual boundaries can be (and often are) influenced by prejudice (amongst other things); it is never ok to violate someone’s sexual boundaries, through pressure, coercion or violence.

DrBlackbird · 13/10/2024 22:03

PiggleToes · 13/10/2024 21:32

Nah look what happened to Carol Hooven.

I find this an odd choice supporting your position. How on earth does ‘what happened’ to Carole Hooven support a sweeping, unsupported, generalisation that those in academia from the science disciplines reject gender critical feminism?

Never mind that many scientists are very likely ignorant of such debates but nonetheless hold the view that sex is binary and immutable.

Do you study at Aston by any chance?

Anyhow, we’ve gone off topic. Apparently some posters were at the LGB conference and sat in on all the sessions so can confidently post here that the only topic under discussion was how awful trans people are… I’m adopting a more sceptical view until some evidence of this alleged transphobia is provided.

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