To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

This thread is really hard to follow for a newbie to the topic is there a sticky somewhere?

starts from a position of transphobia, especially on this site

Saying I want transwomen excluded from my amateur women's football team and from changing with female nurses is not transphobic. Unfortunately you think it is, and unless you are willing to acknowledge that we have a reasonable requirement in asking for those things, you will always see arguments are transphobic so no further debate can be had.

Ok @piggletoes I'll say it one more time.

Where is the line that takes a Lesbian having the right to say no to having sex with anyone she wants and refusing anyone she isn't into tipping into transphobia?

When does does the right of women to want same sex care tip into transphobia?

At what point are other people able to have wants and needs that don't line up with trans people's wants and needs?

There are many lesbian women who are attracted to trans women.

What’s a sticky?

Is that the same ‘many’ as straight men who are attracted to transwomen?

I dunno an introduction thread or something?

Basically, everyone is wrong if they don't agree that they are transphobic anyone with questions or concerns should shut the fuck up.

There is on the Feminism boards I believe.

Ok thanks.

In the meantime I'm still pissed off that they used insects

I think sexual attraction is complex and not an entirely a conscious choice. I imagine it has a lot to do with what you were exposed to when you were going through puberty.
Forcing people to shag people they don’t fancy isn’t going to solve anything. I knew an extremely racist man who slept with many black women, he was still a racist.

You either believe in body autonomy or you don’t. I’ve never seen Love Island but yes it’s probably to do with social standards of beauty, it doesn’t mean that people should ignore their feelings. I also don’t think good looking people should be made to have sex with ugly people because of social standards (I count myself amongst the uglies).
If you think people should ignore innate feelings maybe trans people should ignore their feelings they are the trapped in the wrong body.

@piggletoes it's starting to hurt that you are engaging with other people and ignoring me.

I'm almost of the point of saying it's homophobic.....

I do think societal representations of beauty can be racialised. But I’m not sure what that’s got to do with lesbians being told to try cock?

i don’t understand why people can’t separate these two things. Peoples sexual preferences can be rooted in prejudices of all type. That doesn’t mean they are required to sleep with people they aren’t attracted to- or should be coerced into doing so.

Everyone is entitled to sexual boundaries- even those based in prejudice. These two things can exist at the same time and are not incompatible

Disregard the thread for a second. I asked a straightforward question. Yes or no?

@PiggleToes do you think if a lesbian doesn’t want to do this they are ‘prejudiced’?

An Organisation called the LGBA held a conference. People allegedly protested the conference by releasing insects into the conference.
I think everyone on this thread agrees that releasing insects is not acceptable as a protest tactic, however we are debating whether it was legitimate to protest the conference at all. I am arguing that the protest was legitimate because the LGBA is a transphobic organisation with a transphobic mission. Other people are arguing that the LGBA is not transphobic and it is homophobic to protest the conference.

I’ll say it one more time. A trans person is a person whose experience of gender is at odds with their sex registered at birth. This experience is a real experience that affects real people.

And I'll say it one more time and as many times as I have to. LGB people and women are real people too, and also have rights and sometimes they clash with what trans people believe and want. Why would their feelings of "transphobia" that other people don't share their ideological beliefs that some males can be women trump the misogyny and homophobia that many trans rights activists indulge in towards women and LGB people who do not share their beliefs?

You can't force people to believe something they do not.

My sexual boundaries aren't based in prejudice. I knew I was gay when I was about 3, way before I became aware of a trans debate.

The things that I am attracted to are the things that I am attracted to. They are little details that probably seem ridiculous to other people but they are what floats my boat.

I don't understand why people (you right now) can't separate LGB people wanting a space for themselves from trans people wanting to be in every space.

You asked a question and i answered it

LGB Alliance are absolute stars, all such lovely people - If you watch the video of the kids who did this, it’s really quite depressing.

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Who wants to have sex with someone who doesn’t fancy them though (for whatever reason)?

I think there's a name for people like that, trans activists.

You didn't though 🤷‍♀️

Why can't you answer it I wonder? And why are you trying to dodge it?

I didn’t dodge it at all I answered it very clearly as above.

It's a simple yes or no question. So which? That certainly wasn't clear to me.

Yes or no?