To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

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No. It's a belief system, like religion.

No it isn’t this is transphobia.

@piggletoes I asked you some questions upthread, not sure how you keep missing them. I've tried to tag you once already.

It seems like your "that's transphobia" bot took control again 🙄

Please answer me.

So if you are a lesbian and you say to no to a man because they are a biological man …fine.
Say no to a trans woman …you are transphobic.

What you mean is, you don’t believe in gender over sex, you are not ‘transphobic’. This is a valid belief. That term is thrown about like it has meaning.

Also saying you only are attracted to blond/blue eyed people isn’t racist! It’s just a preference like any other. If you said it because you think black people are disgusting or something - yes racist. Attraction is a personal feeling that no one has control over, probably developed from a variety of things. No one has to be attracted to anyone they don’t feel attracted to. Full stop. Treat everyone the same regardless, not date them is fine.

This 100%

I am attracted to a woman, if she's not into women then I back off. Anything else is weird and creepy.

There shouldn't be any bad feeling at all from that interaction. Everyone is entitled to be attracted to other consenting adults, all of those consenting adults have the right to say no.

It's not homophobic for women not to want to have sex with me.

Everyone deserves respect.

No. It's a belief system, like religion.

No it isn’t this is transphobia.

Why is the idea that some males should be considered women on their say so not a belief system @PiggleToes ?

Where is the objective, scientifically rational argument that it is correct to believe them?

@piggletoes it looks like your doing a weird thing where you only engage with posts they you can criticise and your responses are very short.

Are you OK?

#thisisnottransphobic

Same here. I keep asking for an enforceable definition of lesbian that they are happy with but they will not give it . So I have no idea what they see as wrong either the current definition based on sex. All they say is whether someone is a lesbian or not is a personal decision but that can’t be enforced in law!

Runor · Today 16:47

Sinner 😆 still breathing - luckily!

Thank goodness for that, I was hoping that you wouldn't be posting as Bluenor.

No mammal can change sex.
They may believe themselves to be other than they are
but biology is immutable.

Thus "transphobic" is meaningless as we are choosing to disbelieve something that is inherently unreal.

Homophobic is real because same sex attraction is real.

PiggleToes · Today 17:02

It's a transphobic gathering.

No it wasn't, it was a meeting for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, who feel, quite rightly, that they shouldn't be bullied, harangued and harassed by ideologically hidebound morons, who want them to accept sexual partners, in whom they have no interest.

In @piggletoes absence could I give a definition of lesbian. My only qualification for giving this definition would be that I am a lesbian, I love my wife (lesbian) and care about our community (lesbians) and the law defending our protected characteristic.

LESBIAN: biological women who are attracted exclusively to biological women

Any questioning of this definition is homophobic and will receive a response of "this is homophobic". No debate will be allowed.

WasThatACorner · Today 20:06

LESBIAN: biological women who are attracted exclusively to biological women
Any questioning of this definition is homophobic and will receive a response of "this is homophobic". No debate will be allowed.

Careful, Corner - only special lesbians, who used to be called Kevin are allowed to impose "No Debate!" In an Ian Paisley "No Surrender!" style, of course.

A preference can be racist

What you mean is that you don't approve of the LBGA and thus they have no right to exist or to voice views that you dont agree with. This is the problem with trans activists and allies they are so bigoted that they just cant bear anyone to hold an alternative opinion and have to do their utmost to squash it. When it comes to spreading hate the TAs are passmasters.

I’ll say it one more time. A trans person is a person whose experience of gender is at odds with their sex registered at birth. This experience is a real experience that affects real people.
Failing to recognise this , is a complete refutation of trans experience. It is transphobic, in the same way that failing to recognise same sex attraction as a real experience and a fundamental part of a person is homophobic .

Who wants to have sex with someone who doesn’t fancy them though (for whatever reason)?

Can’t you read? It’s racist if you have a problem with black people, yes. But then you would probably treat them differently anyway and that’s an issue. If it’s just your preference, no.
Everyone has preferences and everyone is allowed preferences for any reason they like. The idea of people being told who they are sexually attracted to is disturbing and encouraging people to not trust their own instincts. It’s called body autonomy.
No one has to have any kind of sexual contact with anyone else they don’t want to and no one should make them feel bad about it.

I've always been a rebel

If it’s just your preference, no

Again- “just your preference” can be racist.
Why do you think that black women tend to receive less interest on love island? Do you think societal representations / ideals of beauty can be racialised?

I accept that people can feel this way.

I do not think that gives them rights to access sex specific spaces that do not align with their biological sex.

Is that transphobic?

I think there’s a legitimate debate to be had about how to organise public spaces so that everyone feels safe. That includes trans people. Unfortunately most of the debate on this topic is exceptionally transphobic and starts from a position of transphobia, especially on this site

I do not think that gives them rights to access sex specific spaces that do not align with their biological sex.

And that's the nub of the whole issue. Which @PiggleToes seems completely and utterly unwilling to acknowledge.

And private spaces? Nurses changing rooms? The conductor of my smear test? Sarah's rape counsellor?

Be interesting to know if @PiggleToes agrees with this definition. Do you?

I think there is another way for society to accommodate gender

We enable men to feel or present however they wish

Women too. But you can’t change sex