To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

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It’s fine to tell anyone you are a lesbian.

its fine to set your own sexual boundaries.

Its not fine to misgender a trans person

telling a trans person to their face that you don’t fancy them cos they are trans , is analogous to telling a fat person you don’t fancy them cos they are fat. It’s just unnecessary and cruel

It's twisting my words to say that they don't fancy them "cos they are trans" when it's actually because they are male. Interesting that you feel the need to do that. Suggests you know it doesn't stand up on its own if you say "this lesbian shouldn't tell a male she won't sleep with him because he is male".

But you are saying that a person can't express their sexual orientation in their own terms. Why should they have to lie?

That the LGBA is a transphobic organisation for reasons explained upthread.

That’s totally fine. You aren’t doing anything wrong

That's right, we aren't

It's a space for LGBA people to gather and discuss issues relevant to themselves, which can at times be in conflict with the interests of trans people.

That isn't transphobic, for reasons explained upthread.

Because women are taught to placate the fragile male ego from a young age??????

which can at times be in conflict with the interests of trans people

this bit is transphobic. Presenting the existence of trans people as a threat to the existence of LGB people is transphobic

No, it isn't.

The teachers unions discuss issues affecting teachers which can at times be in conflict with the interests of government. This doesn't make the teachers unions anti-government.

@PiggleToes I think you should accept differing views and show tolerance to the people who meet at LGBA

As I've got older, the best way I've found to deal with unwanted attention is to honest. That way there's no confusion to come back and bite anyone in the bum. I feel it's kinder to not leave the other person in any doubt.

The LGBA is based on sex based attraction not gender, that is a belief that people can have

Sex based attraction is the legal definition. The legal definition of homosexuality provides protection for a group of people who have been hideously persecuted and discriminated against. The antics of TRAs and their virulent attempts to impose and enforce a new definition is repellent.

Sexual attraction and sexuality are based on sex, the clue is in the name. It is it is not homogenderal it is homosexual. (Same applies to heterosexual not heterogenderal)

I also hope those who did this are investigated for a hate crime as indicated below

As I've got older, the best way I've found to deal with unwanted attention is to honest. That way there's no confusion to come back and bite anyone in the bum. I feel it's kinder to not leave the other person in any doubt.

Absolutely.

Sexual attraction and sexuality are based on sex, the clue is in the name. It is it is not homogenderal it is homosexual. (Same applies to heterosexual not heterogenderal)

If people want to call themselves homogenderal or whatever as far as I'm concerned they can crack on. They can't expect to take over an existing word which people need to advocate for their own rights.

@PiggleToes just to clarify, I'm fine being a lesbian who only wants to have sex with women. You assured me of this based on me saying I wouldnt be rude enough to say "because you are trans" to the person that I don't want to have sex with.

At what point do I become transphobic?

Am I transphobic if I discuss with friends that I felt uncomfortable when the trans woman was hitting on me?

Am I transphobic if, when pressed for a reason by the transwoman I tell her that I'm not attracted to trans people?

Where are the lines that are drawn by anyone but lesbians?

Yes they should call themselves homogenderal and leave the word homosexual to homosexuals.

Acknowledging that there are some areas which 'at times' present a conflict of interest is not 'presenting the existence of trans people as a threat to the existence of LGB people'. Their very existence...LOL, bit of a debate about conflicting interests within a wider context threatens their very existence?????

Such hysteria,

Presenting the existence of trans people as a threat to the existence of LGB people is transphobic

Oh FFS, noonenhas said the EXISTENCE of trans people is a threat. It's that the enactment of trans rights is a threat. To LGB people, and bio women.

Gender based rights can be in direct conflict to sex based rights. I have given you examples. You have studiously ignored, presumably because you think we have a point. Which makes you transphobic according to you.

Unless you don't agree that somethings need to be sex segregated?

telling a trans person to their face that you don’t fancy them cos they are trans , is analogous to telling a fat person you don’t fancy them cos they are fat. It’s just unnecessary and cruel

I got turned down for not being attractive enough/too chubby in my youth, yeah its not what you want to hear, but it didn't stop me being my authentic self !

Why don't trans women set up a trans lesbian club, where no cis women are allowed, its not as though they are only attracted to cis women because that would be transphobic wouldn't it ?

if you promote the view that trans experience is nothing more than a “harmful , unscientific ideology” that is a threat to children and LGB people, then you are presenting the existence of trans people as a threat. Absolutely you are.

if you promote the view that trans experience is nothing more than a “harmful , unscientific ideology” that is a threat to children and LGB people, then you are presenting the existence of trans people as a threat. Absolutely you are.

No. It's a belief system, like religion. And that's fine. And protected.

It's the contradiction of rights that is the problem. And the belief that many trans people have that their rights trump those of other people in all situations. THAT is the threat. That is why LGBA exist.

@piggleToes you're back!!!!! I asked a few questions upthread. Please answer me.

Also, pointing out to the trans lobby that vulnerable gay children who are scared of their gayness may buy into an ideology that offers a way out isn't transphobic. Surely it's in the interest of everyone to support all children, not funnel everyone down the prevailing ideological tunnel regardless of what they actually need.

That doesn't mean that trans people are inherently a danger to anyone, it's safeguarding people (children particularly) who may not be comfortable in who they are.

No one has said that the trans experience is a threat to children and LGB people.

What people, including myself have said is that lots of young people with gender dysphoria are damaged by receiving gender affirming care, including medication and surgery.

As I'm sure you are aware most of the kids presenting at the Tavistock were same sex attracted and statistics show that when left alone, their gender dysphoria resolves itself and most go one to be healthy and happy (gay!) adults.

As a lesbian I have no issue with someone's 'trans experience'. Live and let live. I do have a problem with men telling me they are lesbians, coming into lesbian only spaces, shutting down lesbian events etc etc etc.

Your arguments are nonsensical. it's like you live in some kind of topsy turvy Bizarro World.

He ignores any question that he can't just answer with a load of hyperbole.

Because I believe people should be able to protest peacefully. I may not agree with their protest.

Those blinkers need patenting. Imagine being able to shut out anything that challenged you in any way.

I mean, I'd never see my kids, but........